From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 11:49:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F116A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.mcmanis.com (www.mcmanis.com [66.125.189.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECC9443D3F for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmcmanis@mcmanis.com) Received: (qmail 4735 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2004 19:58:30 -0000 Received: from nat-198-95-226-231.netapp.com (HELO ddp.hq.netapp.com) (198.95.226.231) by www.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2004 19:58:30 -0000 From: Charles McManis To: "Loren M. Lang" , FreeBSD Mailing list Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:52:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040305081609.GA1378@alzatex.com> In-Reply-To: <20040305081609.GA1378@alzatex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403051152.58550.cmcmanis@mcmanis.com> Subject: Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:49:26 -0000 My less than complimentary thought is that they all suck, but that's only because 99% of the developers who are writing code for *Linux/*BSD don't really care about the "new user experience." They care about whatever it is they are developing. Thus the difference between say "standard install" from a FreeBSD distro CD and sticking a Windows XP install CD into your computer is vastly different in favor of the Microsoft product. In a weird and scary way I helped contribute to this because I worked at Sun back in the day when Sun was doing a 386 based workstation and the folks who worked in Chelmsford were trying to put a much better "face" on SunOS (4.0.2). Like other people in the systems group I was fairly disparaging about "gratuitous changes" to hide unnecessary things from the user (Sun East had a splash screen with a "thermometer" display like you see in Win9x/NT/XP these days. I didn't realize just how ahead of the game they were. I look back today and realize I made a big mistake by not being more supportive of their efforts. To your direct question, I think newbies should install something tha someone they know has already installed and become experienced on. Otherwise the initial frustration of not being to get anywhere until it "clicks" can really turn them off to the thought of Open Source based systems. A friend of mine, an engineer, spent a really rough day trying to get FreeBSD running on his laptop. Debian Linux however came right up. I've been more successful getting NetBSD and FreeBSD running, but I've got a BSD background so don't count as a "newbie" so much (grumpy old fart perhaps, but not a newbie :-) --Chuck On Friday 05 March 2004 00:16, Loren M. Lang wrote: > I am curious what some newbies experiences were with FreeBSD who have > have no unix experience before. I have someone that I might be setting > up a unix workstation of some kind for and I'm debating whether I should > use FreeBSD or some Linux distro like mandrake or debian. I will be > there most of the time to help if needed as this is for work and will > not be his home desktop, at least not yet. He only have some experience > with using dos and windoze, but he does have some technical background > with computers.