From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 9 20:58:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADA9106567C for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ACA8FC1F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so4720438vbb.13 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:58:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rnnvfW+QC7YM239Jd0rrCxpRocBJzAI/GPvZyPpxetY=; b=IUnIx15TwZlRlgF2yU7afou70XkxDqz/xIi8jVpWTrt+2f+5NUwv/tBOjuOUFMc6dL XRWOhsBUKepaoX99Hui4nb0r+WbyMXWmJWJNc+IxrckJWh4Fp4j28CkrnIZ76VLlBAgm OsNs0zpSJW/D5xB6r9W+ePKdupY+HWX3z3Gdo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.17.139 with SMTP id o11mr9108845vdd.62.1326142682687; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.187.134 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:58:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120109143726.GA3185@lonesome.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Freddie Cash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD current mailing list Subject: Re: stable/9 still looking for packages at 9-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:58:03 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 9 January 2012 18:16, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >>> ok, I'm a stupid lazy user (obviously)... While browsing the ftp, I >>> see 9.0 ISOs in a `releases' directory. Do you expect me to consult >>> freebsd-announce@, verify the signature of the announce, the hash of >>> the ISOs, etc. to consider that 9.0 has been released ? No, I see 9.0 >>> ISOs in a `releases' directory, I assume it has been released, >>> whatever your spreading process is. >>> >>> Btw, none of the CHECKSUMS files are signed on the FTP. >> >> Have you checked the website? The latest supported release is clearly >> specified, right in the middle of the home page. >> >> Please don't tell me you'd look in ftp before checking the website. =A0I >> think you're just looking to nitpick. > > And, which is worse: > =A01. =A0tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP > server, wait for the mirrors (FTP, CVS, SVN) to sync, then make the > official announcement which includes a few days/weeks where "the > release" is available but not official; or > =A02. =A0tag the release branch, build the ISOs, upload to main FTP > server, make the official announcement, user goes to their > favourite/closest mirror, and can't access the release since it hasn't > synced yet > 3. tag the release[0], build the ISOs, upload then to main FTP and mirrors but restrict visibility[0], announce the release, make the build visible everywhere. At worse, fall-back on #2 with peer-to-peer distribution. If some steps in that process do not exist, create them. - Arnaud > I think people would complain a hell of a lot more about 2 than they > currently do about 1. > > Yes, people upgrading via source will see X.Y-RELEASE before it's > officially announced on the website/mailing lists. =A0Yes, people > browsing ftp.freebsd.org will see X.Y-RELEASE ISOs before it's > officially announced. =A0Yes, some users will get confused by seeing > X.Y-RELEASE available before the official annoucements. > > But, that's a lot better than making an annoucement and having users > unable to use it since it's not available on their local mirrors. > > What's annoying, though, is that we have to go through this with every > ... single ... minor ... release. =A0It's not a hard concept, yet every > time there's a new release, people get confused by it. > > Is there something that could be done to make it more > streamlined/smoother? =A0Maybe, maybe not. =A0Depends. =A0You'd have to w= ant > to join the RE team to find out more about the current release/mirror > infrastructure. =A0:) =A0And then be willing to put in the time/effort to > improve it. =A0:D > > Does all of Arnaud's complaining and nit-picking constitute a request > to volunteer to "fix" things? =A0;) > > -- > Freddie Cash > fjwcash@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "