From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 15:45:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C812106566B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E9B8FC15 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44EAAB96F; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:27:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110714-p17; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <50516F96.1020905@rdtc.ru> <5051ACBD.1090207@FreeBSD.org> <5051B1DF.9030300@norma.perm.ru> In-Reply-To: <5051B1DF.9030300@norma.perm.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201209131127.21677.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Eugene M. Zheganin" Subject: Re: GEOM_RAID in GENERIC is harmful X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:45:23 -0000 On Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:13:51 am Eugene M. Zheganin wrote: > From my point of view GEOM_RAID in GENERIC kernel is a bomb, and we > will lose lots of FreeBSD beginners due to this. I had the completely opposite experience. I bought a new desktop and wanted to use the onboard SATA RAID. 9.0 didn't work out-of-the-box with a RAID-1 volume configured using the BIOS. I knew to kldload geom_raid.ko, but not all new users know to do that. I think the onboard SATA RAID on typical x86 motherboards is something we should be supporting out of the box. I don't disagree that there were some surprising side effects from enabling GEOM_RAID, but I think your viewpoint is very much one-sided. -- John Baldwin