Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:01:07 +0100 From: krad <kraduk@gmail.com> To: Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, delphij@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is TMPFS still highly experimental? Message-ID: <CALfReycp1WBORhtPGdZuEKVoD%2Be1QEoUAo=-ScNPrSX1GUuQNw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CADLo839qN8k0UJvSS5TQAB4yfDCBWQ=EkuKpdtmMV19xECME4w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAOfDtXMm9K_fbOmvG2gvXxDfKakkgpPt9MLifqDxa4wCibMExg@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.GSO.1.10.1110011122030.882@multics.mit.edu> <CADLo83-s_3H8PbbxOPPxbe0m10U0U5JW-feB294dFs%2BQ3iTWvg@mail.gmail.com> <CAGMYy3ssi%2BkAuufDTHA1z6u7jRrZwRRkCCkcO94GHNGF9Rku_w@mail.gmail.com> <20111002020231.GA70864@icarus.home.lan> <CADLo839qN8k0UJvSS5TQAB4yfDCBWQ=EkuKpdtmMV19xECME4w@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2 October 2011 07:41, Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org> wrote: > On 2 Oct 2011 03:03, "Jeremy Chadwick" <freebsd@jdc.parodius.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 06:02:39PM -0700, Xin LI wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > I've also not heard of anyone using it with zfs successfully- it > tends > to > > > > shrink rapidly. > > > > > > I'm quite surprised with this assertion. I use tmpfs on my own system > > > and I never see such problem as long as one have sufficient swap > > > space. > > > > > > Not to say there is no problem --there is no way to say "commit this > > > amount of memory to ZFS" but really I have never hit this exact > > > alleged problem... > > > > Its been reported multiple times by multiple people, and there has been > > no official word on -fs, -stable, or zfs-devel that this specific > > problem has been fixed: > > > > * miyamoto moesasji > > - 2011/01/01 > > - 8.2-PRERELEASE (thus RELENG_8) > > - World/kernel build date unknown > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-January/060850.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-January/060852.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-January/060860.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-January/060861.html > > - Statement from Ivan Voras that it's a known problem: > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-January/060867.html > > > > * Atilla Nagy > > - 2011/01/19 > > - 8.2-PRERELEASE (thus RELENG_8) > > - World/kernel build date of 2011/01/08 > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010496.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010497.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010498.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010499.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010501.html > > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-January/010569.html > > - Ivan Voras mentions a thread he started on -CURRENT circa 2010/11/21 > > about this problem: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-current@freebsd.org/msg126491.html > > > > * Michael Loftis > > - 2009/12/08 > > - FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE (RELENG_8_0) > > - World/kernel build date of 2009/11/21 > > - Might be a different problem altogether, but tmpfs is explicitly > > mentioned in the fix/commit text from avg@ > > - http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/141305 > > > > Plus Chris Rees' report. So that makes 3, possibly 4 if you consider > > the PR from Michael Loftis. > > > > Possibly it has something to do with the exact FreeBSD version they're > > using. Not just version (e.g. 8.2-RELEASE vs. 8.2-STABLE), but also > > kernel/world build date -- because as we've established, ZFS changes are > > happening all the time and there is very little transparency when it > > comes to communicating these changes to the community. > > > > Maybe the problem has been fixed in RELENG_8 sometime after 2011/01/08, > > but we do not know. ZFS committers would need to help. Else, folks > > should be reaching out to the first two people I mentioned above and > > asking if they can reproduce the problem on present-day RELENG_8. > > > > Thanks hugely for doing the linking and research I should have done-- I've > not personally had these problems but I recalled the recent conversation, > that's all. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It may seem a silly question, but I have been wondering about tmpfs and zfs, and whether there is any point to mixing the two? Surely if you have frequently accessed files under /tmp they are going to be in the arc or l2arc anyway so fairly speedy, or am I missing the point of tmpfs?
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