From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 26 18:31:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987F51065670; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32F8FC18; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigwig.baldwin.cx [96.47.65.170]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23A1446B09; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A586FB940; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Mark Blackman Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:22:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110714-p10; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201201260937.47448.jhb@freebsd.org> <6D5F6ECE-5966-4849-AFDC-7F385E2CE906@exonetric.com> In-Reply-To: <6D5F6ECE-5966-4849-AFDC-7F385E2CE906@exonetric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201261322.29688.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd , Mark Saad Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:31:28 -0000 On Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:49:22 am Mark Blackman wrote: > > On 26 Jan 2012, at 14:37, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:33:40 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 19 January 2012 09:47, Mark Saad wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> What could I do to help make 7.5-RELEASE a reality ? > >>> > >> > >> Put your hand up and volunteer to run the 7.5-RELEASE release cycle. > > > > That's not actually true or really fair. There has to be some buy-in from the > > project to do an official release; it is not something that a single person > > can do off in a corner and then have the Project bless the bits as an official > > release. > > And raises the interesting question for an outsider of > > a) who is "the project" in this case > and > b) what does it take for a release to be a release? I'll answer the two together. The project is the entity that "owns" freebsd.org and a release is not a release unless it is present on ftp.freebsd.org and has a signed announcement e-mail with hashes, etc. on the freebsd-announce@ mailing list. Without those things there is no reason for a user to believe that a particular set of bits is a legitimate FreeBSD release. Additionally, a release should be available via the appropriate tags in the CVS and SVN repositories available from freebsd.org machines. -- John Baldwin