From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 23:15:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC6E1065672; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from WA4EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (outbound-wa4.frontbridge.com [216.32.181.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456A08FC1A; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail36-wa4-R.bigfish.com (10.8.14.240) by WA4EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.8.40.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.291.1; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:39 +0000 Received: from mail36-wa4 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail36-wa4-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DC05880C0; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:39 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VS-13(z34a4jz1432R98dR148cM1805M936fOzzzzz2dh6bh87il43j63h) X-Spam-TCS-SCL: 2:0 X-FB-DOMAIN-IP-MATCH: fail Received: by mail36-wa4 (MessageSwitch) id 1231802137396303_22944; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:37 +0000 (UCT) Received: from lpozpwexc02.lpint.net (unknown [203.166.32.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail36-wa4.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6154CF0064; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from klein.bigpond.com (10.61.24.85) by lpozpwexc02.lpint.net (10.61.38.9) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:34 +1100 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n0CNFkT3001332; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n0CNFheu001329; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.au.lpint.net: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:42 +1100 From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: Vincent Hoffman In-Reply-To: <496B1471.1080900@unsane.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <61484.71762.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090111044448.GC5661@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <342292.89033.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <496A98B3.1010301@freebsd.org> <496B1471.1080900@unsane.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: Peter Jeremy , Tim Kientzle , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become standard compiler?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:15:41 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > Peter Ross wrote: > > > > AFAIK you _need_ a C compiler to keep your system secure, to apply > > security patches. > > > > E.g. http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-09:02.openssl.asc > > > > .. > > make obj && make depend && make && make install > > > > Or more recently, > freebsd-update fetch && freebsd-update install > > its really not needed if you are just following -RELEASE except of > course for ports. I have to apologize for my outdated knowledge. It is around for two years, and well-described in the handbook:-) Thanks for correcting me. Still, there are "real world" cases when the standard install is not good enough. I do not run into them daily but they are not that rare either. The last one, some days ago: A Dell desktop had USB keyboard problems. I fixed it by compiling the USB2 kernel. It did not work with -STABLE and -CURRENT's GENERIC kernel (with the "old" USB stack). Regards Peter