From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Fri May 27 17:58:59 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4BB4CD3C for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3346919A2; Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crodr001@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p64so35758853ioi.2; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=3YKK1HWR994SKhlhzmhnyy5CA8mAiq58VlGQMAZit0U=; b=oV1q9HgsMqdgvCtHw4u04vEd8umMrQHHUk28iS1vgpvPjYGeK8tF21mSeIzBegakqP zJ4DTViYAErAckDOfOpLWX2lsHcHn20+XXLifBIsrJ2WpGiLdkxretO19XTDG0OjToGg EhOZFj1TYmoSXR666pFbr5K3rPBjWIOecQH+W3a5CgzJZ/sXIBycdiux2p+zzl8AZnTe lu5A29uiGokuBKR2bU8PFn9GeE9Vh1TVpCmD1NukdkINsuimMH16Kash6iHa1XHO6/FA BUuxcqw8LHITdRcprSz5l4nVdomX70d/BBFLJhIMDn58Lyjo3wferw8X3BZdlnv3maaz Wetg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=3YKK1HWR994SKhlhzmhnyy5CA8mAiq58VlGQMAZit0U=; b=KL22Y6QUthPaTjqCXXZ9ermJlhyVFV6epVwD0XxW8pMwkPS4ODbAo7+gziVUCrAfm9 3tvar6BnAb0f77KjBvp2BjVjJG2vuXFEWmkkO+Q6jutAd6dIMTQE3bxsn6VHeI/tcrem 7MZ3EaE4i1oaTPy5rb0UL+kSe8JqaV2KO6EPdJmAKYJYP6GIhFrWKJv2mE4sTn2NYBsk TETWP/BwujB6d2QHTUOS2h1013uafi8rzCRVtuESNTa+qKoZCcB54jzrqkPLyC4jc6K6 asWFQ04OBJ3yHrIGOM4wwpWySLpGRVvL8urol1qi+6UfBXKJ2tUTSQ1vh9+dI10SoQtx mEew== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLIHlqpBmFrkx+elw9RRANulBHULj6yjlKqlVPuLqqQBEhk8Le49Ej0wxd6C0oHIvg8aMdSBbnrhVk2pg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.224 with SMTP id d93mr14890099ioj.80.1464371938545; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.144.164 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <43826ffc-baef-a625-596a-71585e33b35d@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:58:58 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aoXFCt8I33NkT-mwwF3rz2yaMuo Message-ID: Subject: Add option to sysinstall to install an X desktop, similar to Debian? From: Craig Rodrigues To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Allan Jude , "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:58:59 -0000 On Friday, May 27, 2016, Alfred Perlstein > wrote: > Allan, > > From a product manager's perspective (I've done this a few times), I would > suggest surfacing (showing to the user) the ONLY option that works the best > and that you have the time to maintain. > > Think of it this way: > > New user -> just give them something that definitely works and is > comprehensive and requires little "thought". If they need to edit weird > dotfiles to customize, then it's not the right default choice for users. > > Average user / power-user -> Give them nothing, if they don't want the > default, they will find a way. > > Expert user -> same as average/power user. > > Along those lines, the only option should be KDE or gnome. Pick one. > > If you feel you must include the other options the mark them "for experts > only", and trust me, an expert should be able to take the time to install > what they need by hand. > We'll said Alfred. I agree with all your points. For folks who favor alternatives to KDE, hopefully they will be motivated to help fix the install scripts for those ports, so they can work out of the box from a menu installation. -- Craig