From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 21 19:31:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB78D9C5; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0A4D1468; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k14so2806395wgh.26 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=mBk6qtmyIz7Yi5smNRfDOKObgeH9jK3cTszJ0g+QqGw=; b=OPerRAdLCiX9jrELo0rGtBWHE5PWw+7KkQajsfV/2p7/qeZSGD2m++CXmSr9uNB4zk wDGzIQuVuBlGB0ig8V6+9yrHEPJivPj+OEOT3i0DrO/9uXNU+oVWpKzgogYKyua3WZ3/ E9kRbrPsKXzLEHl6bqANhGV+VG03ui9oy65zXB+WbkWkugdnqwPghkQnsAtbWhxXvhh3 V8cEqS0ENhJ2/ebVUuKjHo6UmPtLF8SdeFdduS6d3+Ab1Tcg4JXsjq6q5FIhd81C7xQ7 HXK6By4G6/vkQxVHRoGWpNJ9gBzLbSdDfjA3tPil6qLBG1F9HTE+zokL1URWXhKeBRfx FvSg== X-Received: by 10.194.77.7 with SMTP id o7mr8631391wjw.35.1393011110105; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ithaqua.etoilebsd.net (ithaqua.etoilebsd.net. [37.59.37.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id de3sm19273904wjb.8.2014.02.21.11.31.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:31:46 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Benjamin Kaduk Subject: Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/build... Message-ID: <20140221193145.GN1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <201402210726.s1L7QnBP007144@svn.freebsd.org> <20140221160144.GA61609@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20140221163217.GJ1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20140221173841.GK1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l3ej7W/Jb2pB3qL2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , Rui Paulo , Steve Kargl X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:31:52 -0000 --l3ej7W/Jb2pB3qL2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:56:29PM -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wr= ote: >=20 > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:07:23AM -0800, Rui Paulo wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > >> Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. > > > >> > > > > Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp ser= ver > > in base but just > > > > be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very > > good for that > > > > purpose. > > > > > > I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to > > remove sendmail from the base system. > > > > > I'm strongly support that idea. > > >=20 > Baptiste, >=20 > I appreciate that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this work, > and indeed you put in Herculean amounts of effort for the project for whi= ch > we should all be grateful. > In particular, the addition of dma is listed as having been discussed with > three other committers, and represents the potential for a very significa= nt > change in the base system that we present to our users. As such, I think > that it would be beneficial for all parties, if a summary of the reasoning > behind this decision could be presented to us. A quick, single-sentence > reply does *not* serve this purpose; in fact it is actively working again= st > this purpose, by seeming to brush off the concerns of others without prop= er > consideration. >=20 > I understand that your time is precious. So is the time of everyone on > this list, and a small investment in a well-written description of the > reasoning for this change should be able to prevent a long email thread > that would waste a lot of many peoples' time. It would probably be best > for this description to go to -current, instead of the svn commit lists. >=20 You are right I ll prepare a mail describing all that to current@. regards, Bapt --l3ej7W/Jb2pB3qL2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlMHqaEACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Eyr+wCgnbEQOJwY6cgvQEz4q+8i9ha6 VFEAn1BKbu9i0KohF7XYzk5a2RduJeIy =Jx7c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l3ej7W/Jb2pB3qL2--