From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 11:17:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD4A2B4D77 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72c.google.com (mail-qk1-x72c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493YV95RFZz3FtJ for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72c.google.com with SMTP id j4so1899339qkc.11 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 04:17:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0dtc5DVpwMHbxfmTglfC1DSy5lTkDWR7cwwy+OWVtnI=; b=NxHKgLMoi97hijqcXcjua8ZNRkRGPIcPvgOWQUhjYhiHWBdXP7CB7dywJI8tEBcQ0a bCJznpsItr8wBnUirVleKiDElJEcTamJ1LKNOTAD1fFlmAG4DeXbRr2//rBVfGsuTZji rI848XW+v81Vj8kJR59rhDXvM63PJGobGhjLsnZke2tK5mpup/cxnzO4H/TKjgbkc3jR yAShDIE/wCRf61l7jdmX6mlHZr1zHJ7WGTgiFqiEV54trp27I4sHlXDPDJK6WqYSqHHp y8yjaJ+ovpY8XT4sPgL0WQ7UDQFKec3dWHHB41SLHj6TTcIbhbx+5Ry9G/oxmHVIzZ9o 6EKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0dtc5DVpwMHbxfmTglfC1DSy5lTkDWR7cwwy+OWVtnI=; b=GsxH89zax2ofNGIhA/R4bcNWG8wEBoUJEEJs3G1vaRS2OUqsPgkjUQX/1AGRLUB5cL 3W9sUMTUPBzU2quf3q405lNfZqqvKfgVFGbeMwrRAfyaXCvajj5shlcGBYFL2kDksaiV IPUhdkXIPNmtcn+OCP3W2EM3zZe93OsI14Km8LvaH0ldmsGhH69k0YDnZf7fJQzd8kmT fRQxeIlw1MZAGJsgnCrqMcfQubbhRptV7XfuWhsIWPcGwA8HEhEF3OHVy6xGYMAwgvH/ VFDRSLBGg/fDxVx5huYArE5YrVkQ8445/mgreA2ni8+cFuIkGCD20i4AGZ3ylPHeTY+W Tj4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pua00jj1zuiHfRycQRd6coJKNUuX5JtqpiNnO1VMADw5ENIXdBjY c8rQ6I1e3/nORuU5FNElN06t1FN6iu1q3/Z32g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKWU34COaWuZybAJD7pqth4cnqiRUMWI18OjtuckSGJnTRqt8T/spJ0+BIwKJDMm6HwAOlmL9m0MfdpvJfyhMc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a0c7:: with SMTP id j190mr2464700qke.461.1587122272089; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:17:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: Rob Belics Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493YV95RFZz3FtJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NxHKgLMo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shamimshahriar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shamimshahriar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.14), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:17:54 -0000 Thanks Rob for putting it so nicely. And if I may please add, all the things asked on the original post are already available in Linux. If the original poster is not happy with Linux with all the bells and whistles, it may make sense to investigate the effect of maintaining those bells and whistles which might be compromising the other features, features that are so adorned in FreeBSD. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not against having new ideas and improvements; I'm against "ideas without thoughts" -- specially the ones that intend to reinvent the fifth wheel on a quad bike. All the best. On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 10:43 Rob Belics, wrote: > What you are asking is for FreeBSD to turn itself into "not FreeBSD". You > are also asking a bunch of professionals using professional tools to make > it easier for hobbyists. When talking to construction workers, one would > not ask them about pretty colors on their trucks or child safety locks or > "soccer mom" features. We're trying to get work done, not play games. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >