From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 6 11:10: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C911437B405 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01220; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g26J9Zb35828; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15494.26991.417780.56393@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:35 -0700 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Nate Williams , Brett Glass , Kenneth Culver , "Steve B." , "Eugene L. Vorokov" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C vs C++ In-Reply-To: <3C866897.649BCC6F@mindspring.com> References: <20020305164151.T5854-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> <3C8529DA.FA8ABCE@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020306073237.00cd0b00@localhost> <3C8659BC.C2FD35ED@mindspring.com> <15494.23436.196349.224108@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C8661EB.934CC478@mindspring.com> <15494.25629.4763.761844@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C866897.649BCC6F@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Again, that's subjective to you. I've been doing C++ for > > > about 20 years now > > > > I find that *really* hard to believe, since C++ hasn't been out for that > > long. :) :) :) > > > > (I've got Stroustrup's book next to me, and it wasn't even started until > > '85, and I don't know when the first C++ compiler became publically > > available.) > > I'm rounding... 8-). We had "cfront" and "The Oregon C++ > Compiler" back in the early 1980's (definitely before 1985, > since I was working by then). Again, you *couldn't* have, since it didn't exist. > > > The other advantage is that the C++ code ran in a known, > > > deterministic amount of memory on an embedded system; > > > Java VM's, even Kaffe, seem to want to take at least 8M > > > of memory. > > > > Kaffe wasn't a good implementation of the VM. However, I will state > > that the minimum size was quite large. (No worse than most other > > interpreted languages). However, it didn't have to get any bigger. I > > had a server that server 400 real-time clients running in under 24MB on > > a Sparc/RISC platform. > > The costs are much less if you can share a JVM, that's > true. But comparing the Sun JVM with the Kaffe, I've > actually never seen the Sun JVM smaller. Kaffe is really > surprisingly small-footed for a JVM. 8-). My experience differs with yours. (However, I'm comparing Sun's JDK1.0 vs. Kaffe, since Kaffe didn't support many 1.1 features, and as such wasn't usable for 1.1.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message