From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Apr 7 12: 6: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E5737B574 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25281 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA37690 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:05:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57F337BDF3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00665; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200004071908.MAA00665@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Doug Barton Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Mike Pritchard , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:45:07 PDT." <38EE1093.BA03E28@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:08:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Fri 2000-04-07 (06:25), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > It took me all of 4 commands and I was already running into diffences, > > > mainly in the ``command completion'' that O'Brien wants this for. Well, > > > tcsh and csh are quite diffent in how they do file name completion. > > > > > > 2 key strokes is not a penalty I am going to pay. (esc vs esc esc). > > > > bindkey  complete-word > > I think Neil brings up a good point here. How hard would it be for the > proponents of the change to create a dot file that causes the new tcsh > to emulate the behavior of the old tcsh that's currently installed? Then > the people with finger habits (which I fully sympathize with, I install > bash just about everywhere for the same reason) will be able to have > their cake and eat it too. Single-esc completion is a stupid idea (ANSI terminals use it for other purposes). The few people that are unhappy right now can probably survive either by not using the cursor keys or by learning to hit like everyone else has been for a decade or so. Right now, the issue seems to be between one or two csh diehards and thousands of users that want a better default shell. I don't think there's any level of suffering on the part of the former party that isn't justified by catering to the latter in this case. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message