From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 13 15:45:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF8F42B1 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@fastmail.net) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65DB8D1 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@fastmail.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1622154F for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:45:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.net; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=NMiYVju3LNKQbx3gIX3aBJbyw3w=; b=No7kT2 hpKcmAToBI8Yw//HttuY/Ejr2jvDwX2wxDpBLnVfCuB7CEpcUrq70tkvb5984lyx 4eo7iDmiJVyotpC8ids01g75KM617DL6Ec2cnaKS7DodcNbcmqhNZBWPleqRVF5f /pYWxpxvtrqlcpoziLTD/kl78SHDgCE03qnjk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=NMiYVju3LNKQbx3 gIX3aBJbyw3w=; b=SiP4BZvhXxSoVoe0qpBoMRG2FCx8SRMY2W9YHjXpUUw7K8+ T/Eek+4qLMOK0NFcJfxdJxsLFzexmGga3zrYU3FGM9HHnUrLfD+K0tg4sj7loVeI UU34PeZvar5NFtUFWXZbKz9yYd28IIHkXs+q/WMWma8F5i2PTRgZctdIAL0I= X-Sasl-enc: J3dpaydD4i5+ohsul/mHdti4whqPHby/5+3aK0iJ5Por 1434210336 Received: from [192.168.1.84] (unknown [94.194.112.103]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 90C1CC00019; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <557C501E.8050903@fastmail.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:45:34 +0100 From: Bruce Simpson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall , Ian Lepore CC: Steve Kargl , Alexander Kabaev , Marcel Moolenaar , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:45:39 -0000 On 13/06/2015 16:38, David Chisnall wrote: > On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:17, Ian Lepore wrote: >> >> If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme that >> could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like systems >> completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're >> well on our way. > > There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread. Agree -- teething trouble. I am trying to push something out right now based on 8.x, and all the little "gotchas" (e.g. vmstat -z not using a uniform delimiter set) are like little landmines on the highway in front of my Pursuit Special. Personally I prefer the new formats, they're less ambiguous, and closer to the analytics where they actually get used.