From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Sat Jan 6 20:14:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D40DBBD77 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 20:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gate2.funkthat.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC90F7D948 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 20:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w06KEI5h048176 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 6 Jan 2018 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w06KEID3048175; Sat, 6 Jan 2018 12:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 12:14:18 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: Freebsd Security Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug Message-ID: <20180106201418.GI75576@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , Freebsd Security References: <5241.1515183470@segfault.tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5241.1515183470@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE-p7 amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: D87A 235F FB71 1F3F 55B7 ED9B D5FF 5A51 C0AC 3D65 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: https://www.funkthat.com/ X-Resume: https://www.funkthat.com/~jmg/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:14:20 -0000 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote this message on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 12:17 -0800: > If the meltdown or spectre (or both) attacks are based on careful analysis > of timing information, following a memory fault, then why just just introduce > a very tiny delay, of randomized duration, in the relevant kernel fault handler, > following each such fault? Randomization only makes it harder, not impossible to detect the timing impact. You just need to collect more samples to average out the noise. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."