From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jun 6 21:30:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3DD37B403 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f574Uo058510 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f574UoV04433; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3B1F037A.9040106@quack.kfu.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:30:50 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386; en-US; rv:0.9) Gecko/20010517 X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop without Windows References: <991885305.3b1ef7f967c39@webmail.scsv.nevada.edu> <991871370.3b1ec18a263e1@webmail.scsv.nevada.edu> <3B1D5F9D.A3B81F5D@iowna.com> <20010606110031.D594@ur.persia> <200106070323.f573NkV07692@harmony.village.org> <200106070348.f573mvV07912@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > It is setup such that getting a refund is impossible. MS says go to > Dell. Dell says go to MS. If push comes to shove, they'll say that > "return for a refund" means something other than you think it means. > You'll have to return the whole laptop to get a full refund. There's > no way to win. While the ELUA might seem clear, lawyers can twist > them around and companies can take a position that will cost too much > $$$ to fight. I still have an avi of me reading the refund portion of the EULA on KPIX during their coverage of "Windows Refund Day" a year ago (or so). The fix is a class action, where the class is defined as anyone who bought a computer that was bundled with Windows who promptly uninstalled it and did not get a refund. I don't know about y'all, but I have seen suits with a lot less merit get settled. Of course, in general, members of the class get almost nothing out of it, the prospect of being able to watch Micro$oft get punished would be thrilling. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message