From owner-svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 17:22:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F8B9A3; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com (mail-pa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C2023FD2; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bj1so14637551pad.39 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ud8+SfFFc79ClN0kFlMtT2UvIvC5C5yKNrLGbUFQPY=; b=Mt6gNU1JSBeArJn1U3b/uMQJp71a/EfdZPRVkBEa/S3kSXBVptz4P9Ey0wAES3Ujuu 6qj+sLbmjaozlhOoT0zGIZku1tXHaV0+sA3o4DwBhFYh2Zpm07u2QZRInQVrHiFeQBgh GpwRTLdAUOyX+KapKRnwtESgSKWPjA8jojx8bxIoZ4J18g4fv4HxEi5AVQGPE7GqnEhG rMaZo/8XKUSqqP0QklT4WZ9UgLr14vkN6uRcT4dHZk3SAirnmyzBBmExA3/wDFQHt0IY bMz3UHPMnaENFJ9VWGYAmw8Ng9ZdSDMcF2OMZckL2FvZS0cm2/i6dyk0mb0qJhUHUAoE za7w== X-Received: by 10.66.164.65 with SMTP id yo1mr116038pab.22.1408641725654; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:44b8:31ae:7b00:8080:feed:d356:95c0? (2001-44b8-31ae-7b00-8080-feed-d356-95c0.static.ipv6.internode.on.net. [2001:44b8:31ae:7b00:8080:feed:d356:95c0]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nh16sm39649212pdb.9.2014.08.21.10.22.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Kubilay Kocak Message-ID: <53F62AB5.6060802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 03:21:57 +1000 From: Kubilay Kocak Reply-To: koobs@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/32.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Drewery , Matthias Andree , ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r365566 - head/Tools/scripts References: <201408211556.s7LFuE0p041046@svn.freebsd.org> <53F61E42.4050104@FreeBSD.org> <53F6267E.9020909@FreeBSD.org> <53F62802.3030006@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <53F62802.3030006@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:22:06 -0000 On 22/08/2014 3:10 AM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 8/21/2014 12:03 PM, Matthias Andree wrote: >> Am 21.08.2014 um 18:28 schrieb Bryan Drewery: >>> On 8/21/2014 10:56 AM, Matthias Andree wrote: >>>> Author: mandree >>>> Date: Thu Aug 21 15:56:14 2014 >>>> New Revision: 365566 >>>> URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/365566 >>>> QAT: https://qat.redports.org/buildarchive/r365566/ >>>> >>>> Log: >>>> Add a BerkeleyDB upgrade helper script in preparation of 4...4.7 removal. >>> >>> Thanks for making things simpler. >>> >>> We now have a script to run another script that was made to make >>> using ports simpler. >> >> The point is to abstract away the chaotic (miniscule input difference, >> major difference in result) differences along the various dimensions of >> port upgrading tools and local database management tools. >> >> I don't think a textual description for UPDATING would have been much >> shorter and the whole migration will look scary enough to users with the >> around-ten-step upgrade... >> >> And people WILL have multiple db4* versions on their typical system >> unless they manipulated /etc/make.conf. >> > > No no, I agree with it. It's nice for the users. We have other such > scripts too such as the perl-after-upgrade was IIRC. > > Actually I find it appalling we need to use a tool to use ports at all > and wish it was all self-contained with 1 official interface. > We probably could have used one of these in python@ for cleaning up setuptools (old) and distribute remnants that caused many issues for users as we chased upstream, even with good instructions in UPDATING (since we couldnt cover all cases) I wonder too, to what extent a relatively generic interface for these things might be possible. -- koobs