From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 27 12:18:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13885 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 12:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13840 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 12:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA09057; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 21:17:40 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA22973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 27 Dec 1995 21:16:55 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29250 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 27 Dec 1995 20:34:27 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA00941; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 20:15:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199512271915.UAA00941@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: 4GB Seagate Barracuda (Hawk Replacement) goes nuts after a while To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger, MCSNet) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 20:15:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, pete@RockyMountain.rahul.net, Peter.Delaney@eng.sun.com, jbryant@argus.iadfw.net.hq.icb.chel.su, fnf@amigalib.com, bardhan@corp.megatest.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, karl@mcs.net In-Reply-To: from "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" at Dec 27, 95 07:28:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > purchased independently. Seagate is a good example. We have a couple > > of Seagate 1G Hawks in ICLs and they are working very stable. > > DEC uses Seagate Barracuda as their RZ-29 disks and they work stable too. > > But when we purchased two Hawks directly from a Seagate dealers we had > > lots of troubles with them. We had like problems with Micropolis. > > It looks like computer manufacturers do some additional testing and/or > > low-level formatting or HDD manufacturers divide their disks by > > cathegories using some tests. > > > > -SB > > No, the issue is elsewhere. > > Look to handling. Many distributors and resellers abuse the drives when > stocking them or otherwise handling them in the course of retailing. > > Shock will cause drives to fail -- and not always immediately. Anything > which damages or nicks the media, even slightly, will eventually result in > drive failure. > > Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity I have to disagree with Karl. I work for DEC in the Storage Business Unit and I know that before the RZxx drives from Seagate became RZxx products there has been a _LOT_ of testing and qualification. And also firmware revisions.. So, there are differences apart from handling issues. Bad handling is of course a known problem in the HD area but there is more to it Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands --------------------------------------------------------------------------------