From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 03:07:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9110A106564A; Tue, 10 May 2011 03:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3909D8FC15; Tue, 10 May 2011 03:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn33 with SMTP id 33so6881246iwn.13 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint :x-openpgp-key-url; bh=5WBOYwC9coWhw42ZyVk3moeRF/0ZgkI+nmjyVqhnuqg=; b=AZ4fUvNLzKasMt6MlDpAl2tvllpe4tKRxR/8uZZuuAxV36kJr7j1n3enaFLyRX5a+S mNOqCOfAEpk5+iN00edPKU8Id5lOOohYMx4vZszfmXp+u1DIIHMsjYHsvbQpXn2CBqac UfUf8CPUZkHuSYC9ImviQfcVqjxkoT9jP11p8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-openpgp-key-id :x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:x-openpgp-key-url; b=eJrvOf/6wOYXKRmtGpdscc14TC2/CXw2HIiLVACdfLYAiNILnaXMOWwCOFZXkDjCo3 o6DG9/Me1MLY8gtxbbnj7B9AZ9CJX0mcvq0yA/664bTxRYjPOIUktWiPD/VM/zAcDj5O tmPJWsj9f9IlHOjpVsKGjuyxMLwwvh10y1E0c= Received: by 10.42.161.193 with SMTP id u1mr3247751icx.20.1304996844558; Mon, 09 May 2011 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (adsl-99-190-84-116.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.190.84.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv9sm2657986icb.13.2011.05.09.20.07.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 May 2011 20:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4A37JTC019782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 May 2011 23:07:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhell@DataIX.net) Received: (from jhell@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p4A37IQG019781; Mon, 9 May 2011 23:07:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhell@DataIX.net) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:07:18 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Devin Teske Message-ID: <20110510030718.GA18435@DataIX.net> References: <20110508191336.GC3527@DataIX.net> <4DC84E68.1000203@FreeBSD.org> <007d01cc0e9d$00301ff0$00905fd0$@vicor.com> <20110509233825.GB2558@DataIX.net> <010b01cc0eb5$3c6456e0$b52d04a0$@vicor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <010b01cc0eb5$3c6456e0$b52d04a0$@vicor.com> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E X-OpenPGP-Key-URL: http://bit.ly/0x89D8547E Cc: 'Doug Barton' , freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [RFC][Change-Request] Create usefulness in rc.subr etc/rc.conf.d/*.conf namespace. X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 03:07:25 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Devin, On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 06:53:43PM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: > Jason, >=20 > > rc.conf or rc.conf.local override. What do you think ? everyone else ? = Doug ? >=20 > I talked about this with our lead developers and we think we came up with > something that has real significant potential. >=20 > We suggest that your source the rc.cond.d/*.conf files: >=20 > a. After /etc/rc.conf > b. Before /etc/rc.conf.local >=20 > Half our developers said that it would be nice if /etc/rc.conf.d/product.= conf > could override rc.conf(5) and the other half said it would be nice if it = was the > other way around. Then we thought about it for a moment, and we realized = that if > you sourced them in-between the two files, that you could accommodate both > parties. >=20 > In this setup, we'd have /etc/rc.conf be the initial override file that > overrides /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.conf.d/product.conf would o= verride > that. And finally, /etc/rc.conf.local would be end-all-be-all of override= s. > Nothing would be capable of overriding /etc/rc.conf.local (which seems to= suit > the name -- "local" should indicate that the "non-local" can be inherited= from a > master configuration, perhaps site-wide or pod-specific). >=20 > What do you think? I think it would be the "happy median." >=20 I am somewhat sketchy of putting it between the two. Reason being is I=20 know quite a few people that already place anything that has to do with=20 ports(7) into rc.conf.local just to keep it seperate from the systems=20 rc.conf. I can see that raising a few eyebrows. As of right now its thought of that= =20 rc.conf and rc.conf.local get processed consecutively and would have to be= =20 explained quite rigorously how they actually fall in order. Only my=20 opinion though, its up for grabs. 1). If its sourced before then it can be considered user pre-defined=20 defaults.=20 2). If its sourced after then it becomes user defined overrides for=20 anything in rc.conf or rc.conf.local=20 3). If placed between then I feel it becomes an extension of rc.conf=20 leaving rc.conf.local to be the final say on all configs. This is=20 intentionally what rc.conf.local was meant for anyway. Really I personally do not object to either of the three listed above and= =20 can see a point of view from all three sides but if I was forced to vote=20 for one of them I would probably have to go with 3. User feedback for this= =20 type of thing is greatly needed & appreciated. --=20 ( python -c "import this" )=20 Regards, (jhell) Jason Hellenthal --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://bit.ly/0x89D8547E iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNyKvlAAoJEJBXh4mJ2FR+sIcIAJaN/mcB2BY3PtiIhzV1zaeE QPmzKHPoCpVV9Jf/XfEC5N5htnNlDxOtf01DiO0i2NOL59CSTxnOeAdU5Mw521mW bY2uYsclz9Sjcrz1OMUdZ/0fxRXBSwjePsRUbqwlARS4qCXR3Se5jAywPUkFwXYl 9GeIGVXfQD2AJuNcOlWhL6Hx0TBt/4pVHMvKSZbiL3I5q/l13RxoE9kE6OwH0RoG KWmc8tjT1jsNY+S9mWAp03xMgYXRdAUP+RtkpQvVu7AM3i1whFU2yxPWQjDioPzY itF/YC5l2JfGo95M+/1vQ8ReAOxRblgJ0FuxbfnsHG03q+2rLqnOL/KxQUi6e2U= =8tIU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--