From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 13 12:49:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0DE106564A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8A68FC16 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF17F.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.241.127]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q8DCndRt080491 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:49:40 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8DCnRQ6002650 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:49:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8DCnKe6061075 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:49:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201209131249.q8DCnKe6061075@fire.js.berklix.net> To: arch@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:13:19 +0200." <86har3sddc.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:49:20 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:49:48 -0000 =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= wrote: > "Julian H. Stacey" writes: > > Removing CVS from src/ will be easily recoverable for commited FreeBSD > > users, but will degrade FreeBSD for some visitors from other Unixes & > > ex BSD people tentatively returning. > > Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box? > > > Rather than lose a lot of time on docs, mail lists etc, it's easy to > > decide: "Probably much else changed or missing too, I'll lose too much > > time to revert it to a working Unix environment. Try next OS." > > Yes, because I'm sure the absence of a program they haven't used in five > years, if ever, and will probably never need is the largest hurdle to > overcome for new or returning FreeBSD users. DES took partial misleading context & exagerated. Original was: > At the stage one tries new Unixes, if too many things are missing > &/or too much trouble to learn what & how & where changed, & how > to restore; Rather than lose a lot of time on docs, mail lists > etc, it's easy to decide: "Probably much else changed or missing > too, I'll lose too much time to revert it to a working Unix > environment. Try next OS." DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for some. Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes, FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, remember its users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager would. Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.