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Date:      Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:03:32 -0700
From:      Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com>
To:        Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info>
Cc:        David Naylor <naylor.b.david@gmail.com>, Geoffrey Huntley <ghuntley@ghuntley.com>,  Freebsd-mono <freebsd-mono@freebsd.org>, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org,  freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
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On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> Hey Marcin,
>
> So I just read the Contribution License Agreement and I didn't see
> anything untoward.
>
> https://cla2.dotnetfoundation.org/cladoc/net-foundation-contribution-lice=
nse-agreement.pdf
>
> Just remember all these projects are MIT, Apache 2 or CC license. I
> think bringing this code into FreeBSD is a bonkers good idea. (Kaboom!
> lolz). Especially if you think about how much proprietary code is out
> there on Windows that people will want to protect. A FreeNAS style
> management console would make FreeBSD a particularly attractive offer
> over GPL licensed OSes for companies to create appliance style systems
> (physical or virtual, a-la FreeNAS). Jails become yet another great
> way to distribute proprietary code.
>
> Sony PS 3&4, NetApp and now Nintendo Switch are all great examples of
> what you can do with FreeBSD in a proprietary system.
>
> Dot Net Core also opens up Arm based systems on FreeBSD in some ways
> because it's specifically designed do be modular. I don't think Mono
> has built on Arm for a long time and the performance of Mono has been
> a problem of note.
>
> Russ

I'm trying to perform due diligence because I want to throw some time
into this. Avoiding GPL and other encumbering licenses is important to
me. I had to know myself so I made this list of licenses:

https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang - Microsoft
https://github.com/dotnet/cli -
https://www.microsoft.com/net/dotnet_library_license.htm

https://github.com/dotnet/source-build - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/core-setup - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/corefx - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/dotnet-docker - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/standard - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/sdk - MIT
https://github.com/dotnet/netcorecli-fsc - MIT

https://github.com/nuget/home - A2
https://github.com/aspnet/home - A2
https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn - A2

https://github.com/aspnet/Docs - CC
https://github.com/dotnet/docs - CC

Russ

> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Russell Haley <russ.haley@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> Sorry for the top post,
>>
>> Marcin, can you expand on your thoughts about the contributor license? T=
his has been one of the concerns of mine=E2=80=8E (part of the pedanticism)=
. I didn't get a chance to read the doc itself yet.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network.
>>   Original Message
>> From: Marcin Cieslak
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:13 AM
>> To: Russell Haley
>> Cc: David Naylor; Geoffrey Huntley; Freebsd-mono; freebsd-advocacy@freeb=
sd.org; freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: DotNet Core on FreeBSD
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russell Haley wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I am talking to Karel and Tomas at Microsoft's DotNet Core Team about
>>> putting together a "proposal" for community involvement, which will be
>>> followed by more information on this list. Most of the talk has been
>>> me blowing air and being pedantic about nothing (I get excited and
>>> type alot).
>>
>> I was tinkering around FreeBSD support when dotnet core was first publis=
hed.
>> Stack unwinding for exceptions was very hacky at the time, and there wer=
e
>> some unnecessary discussions about how to implement some FreeBSD sepecif=
ic
>> sysctl's. I got a bit frustrated with that (a whole porting effort is ab=
out
>> coercing Unix to offer part of Win32 APIs).
>>
>> It was somewhat running on FreeBSD natively back then, haven't checked
>> recently.
>>
>> I have also decided not to sign their bad contributor agreement
>> and some of the sysctl code I decided to put in mono instead :)
>>
>> Marcin
>> saper on github



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