From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jun 13 9:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8001514A for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27785; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Chuck Robey Cc: Bill Huey , Wes Peters , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High syscall overhead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Bill Huey wrote: > > > Well, so far I've heard alot of BS about Linux that isn't exactly true > > and much of it seems like a bunch of artificial problems that hold > > against the Linux folks. Most of it is just intentionally misrepresented > > bullshit. > > That is totally wrong, Bill. We have a public mail archive, so if you > don't like to believe me, go check our archive. YOU have been the only > source of either Linux or FreeBSD bashing. We have a pretty pleasing > assortment of grownups here, who have gone past the point of needing to > claim "my ball is better than your ball". Exactly. Do you have references? > > One of my own personal complaints about the Linux groups is that they > seem to grow the kind of people who need to disparage in order to feel > good. This might be because my only exposure to Linux persons is via > Usenet, which is immersed in that teenage-type philosophy. I don't know > of any Linux mailing lists of the order of the FreeBSD lists. The Linux-kernel mailing list seems to be closer to -hackers. > > We don't need that approach here, it doesn't increase knowledge, > and only hurts feelings. If you follow up on this thread, please DROP > all Linux/FreeBSD comparisons of that order. We all know that both > Linux AND FreeBSD are fine unixes, and we don't need bashing here. Linux is a Unix clone, while FreeBSD is Unix. Don't confuse people with this. > > This list does occaisonally have some comparisons, Linux vs. FreeBSD, > but if it isn't kept strictly technical, and non-accusatory, we don't > want it or need it. > > I have seen people in the past that were honestly surprised at the huge > difference between Usenet newsgroup rules, and our FreeBSD list rules. > If you actually fit in that category, maybe you should "lurk" these > lists for a while, so you can see the difference, and not find yourself > outside of our lists normal behaviour. The noise to content ratio is MUCH higher on Usenet, and probably will always be. > > > > > I came on this list initially to just check was the FreeBSD community > > was like, but what I've gotten since is alot of ego and hostility > > toward things that aren't completely FreeBSD. That's something that > > I didn't expect and reading this list has given me a particular > > negative view of FreeBSD that wasn't present before. > > People don't like your need to compare, in order to make one group seem > better or worse than another. You need to find some other way to get > your point across. > > > > > In-fighting with the current NFS maintainer and general rudeness to other > > potential devs make FreeBSD's kernel people look like bunch of dorks whether > > you like it or not. Don't confuse fighting with "not sweeping issues under the carpet." > > > > I'm also not big enough asshole ot put someone on a "kill-list" and is just > > a reflection of a kind of conservative need to dehumanize other folks > > so that your selfish comfort is "preserved". > > Profanity is also one of the things not accepted here. Damn straight! Sorry, couldn't resist. Profanity isn't that unacceptable, if appropriate (sometimes it is..), but personal attacks ARE. > > > > > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > > > > bill > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. > (301) 220-2114 | > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.freebsd.org _ |___/___/___/ " THAT'S WRONG WRONG WRONG!" 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