From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 3 16:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD20737B406 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 98600 invoked by uid 100); 4 Nov 2001 00:30:07 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15332.35855.130990.367688@guru.mired.org> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:30:07 -0600 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NatWest? no thanks In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011103170327.051b5f00@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011102153937.0434b8a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011102132958.051040c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011101223208.00b3ec20@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011101190545.03ed6330@localhost> <20011101164226.B47017@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20011103170327.051b5f00@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Glass types: > At 04:01 PM 11/2/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > >And yes, the ruling in question only applies in one judicial circuit, > >but it can still be considered as precedent in other circuits. Sure, > >it's a remarkably flimsy precedent - but it's *still* better than any > >precedent you've quoted or I've been able to find to defend the > >position that the ADA applies to commercial web sites. > Sorry, but by the time one gets to court over such things one has > ALREADY lost due to the great expense of such suits. The DoJ simply demands > that things get fixed, and the parties comply because it's the right > thing to do and the DoJ's interpretation makes sense. One barely related > case isn't even worth citing as a defense. So why did AOL go to court with The National Federation for the Blind? And where are all the web sites that have been fixed, or cases that have been settled out of court because of this. The DoJ tracks these things, and nothing shows up in their records. In fact, the best evidence I could find is that the DoJ is in the same state I'm in - believing that the ADA applies to commercial web sites, but still waiting for a court case that will settle the issue once and for all. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message