From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Thu Jan 30 13:07:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685812393A2; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487gcs42RXz45nS; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.27] ([194.32.164.27]) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id 00UD7bpV011787; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:38 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:37 +0000 Cc: Emmanuel Vadot , Paul Mather , Robert Clausecker , freebsd-arm , freebsd-arch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> <78425.1580332298@critter.freebsd.dk> <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net> <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487gcs42RXz45nS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rb@gid.co.uk designates 194.32.164.250 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rb@gid.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gid.co.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[250.164.32.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.57)[ip: (-2.06), ipnet: 194.32.164.0/24(-1.03), asn: 42831(0.32), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42831, ipnet:194.32.164.0/24, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:07:42 -0000 Hi, > On 29 Jan 2020, at 21:36, Poul-Henning Kamp = wrote: >=20 > -------- > In message <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, = Emmanuel Vadot writes: >=20 >>> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular >>> for educators. >>=20 >> In what way ? >> Real answer only. >=20 > 1. Schools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational > material, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational > courses and materials, pretty much ready to go. >=20 > 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers carry them. >=20 > 3. Big electronics pushers carry them. >=20 > In re 1-3: No customs processing of shipment involved. >=20 > 4. Cost, including shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most > organizations. RPi zero in particular is cheap enough to treat as a component. > --=20 > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe =20 > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by = incompetence. -- Bob Bishop rb@gid.co.uk