From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 3 16:34:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0B316A4CE for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 16:34:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF6943D73 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 16:34:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=roam.psg.com) by rip.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DT0Lw-0007ND-Jk; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=roam.psg.com.psg.com) by roam.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DT0Lo-000NqC-ET; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:34:24 -1000 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17015.43023.924186.422635@roam.psg.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:34:23 -1000 To: Brian Candler References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050426233321.084e9210@cobalt.antimatter.net> <51899.216.177.243.42.1114584317.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> <20050502195456.GA1226@uk.tiscali.com> cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:34:38 -0000 > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 02:34:40PM -0500, John Sconiers wrote: >> Several years ago after being a FreeBSD fan / contributor since ~1995 I >> left FreeBSD because I didn't have the time with kids and all. During >> that time I was a unix / storage ps guy for two fortune 500 companies >> (One was a vendor of another Unix OS). I was also "forced" to work with >> Linux in production settings. I come back ~three years later and on the >> surface things haven't changed. The boot banner, installation program, >> etc, etc, hasn't changed. > > Personally I find that to be a big plus, not a minus. > > One of the reasons I ditched Linux several years ago was the way Linux > shifts constantly. A good example is the firewalling code: once upon a > time there was ipfw. Then that was replaced by ipfwadm. Then that was > discarded, and replaced by ipchains. Which in turn was discarded and > replaced by iptables. (Or was that the other way round? I don't follow it > closely these days) yep. another way: this sounds as if you see freebsd as a workhorse production system as opposed to a hobby where the more of your time it absorbs the better it is. randy