From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 15 22:37:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBF4C5978 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:37:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB51837D8 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.103.166.50]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mn2eN-1iCuIv07hX-00k7li; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:37:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:37:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: hw Cc: George Hartzell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? Message-Id: <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:BSEhWwFvz0yiMNYCvIP8QtxHjchPU+ys5Zr5ETVBXYVLy7Ua6UM KZy3ZpLbkjlA88BkHTV5lcco/x7d8UT0p/E0Iamzv64F6WK87LGmupxpRCX8zurCyyHGXF2 6bl3DYeuvWsMoXRHb1c+V/z+KyXEsxcDcTpeO6kU+2cYBupap5C6tyUY8fPVD+3sc8DN8l+ 14s393dB9NZPYx2WvLGYw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Bb1IKsVRyA4=:JE/BVU2dXN3Ym6pvlryUPk mW5fu3atJI4K6Mbb1jh0DurNfC/py+2k9jmn7eJt6QNQLx3+I4PKuzkdXbgAvAdx05NnRe6na +stkQcH8VMG386hCEyE8eoWk6HhPPAjYWHuEiewWfhogndPCRyt+rMrb9C6IqQZwb0mQ869wA 6qqqYnAZoj9uZ8EJTkE40l2kzb2A1XYRLgOKnzYt3AFyBWLmCsP0qb2jQy0/Z78x/vJPO/6CO wSxDid6G2gkvfdrWjAX1VF2dVI8Q3iq+6asHPYOoNa4737GT0bMTKiqeJvcty6NpAiqXha6M3 hsTuPS+LQPrCTds5tYngkeKdy8iqv8cmwDCkgPQX8VXX+b/BQK77rUkloNWSSCJ4BLZP2NEly yWbzfY6fQ3v8MX/VTySBCgy8HfY00grPhffedlLvrOmes5vu5PSpM/FoJ/360ajMbKnjA+Fav s5PjdqyHheeFc+wHpQkctNqFQTDcXcu4nhJL7YHoaeleKGBUYq3iDNRycoTBSKBZ+2nu4jACT zd5yUynzDI+tAQKM06dC1E/LqS9HfWt7sAuO7ssxwhAVjhNMBYXiEON1BEEJWRJAVUVEq5Ls0 ROU5VVnOLOp3SKGr4HqP0yS/n0xY8mhnz5uoyQl7GQmMPq5Q+2nbxeAJwq5XDSASyEMqagh9D GtSnaP9Waw6pvRPXkSeRjl0LGTUvaNqjbuacFmgDRAdcvdifnZExQTmTFqEXhU8Hyen9IFPuK II53aSPjecs70+aou4rnwRDAVQV23P9la+rQLvWm/yzxF3+Bj5GtFMbheK4= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4AB51837D8 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[50.166.103.188.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.962,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.956,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; IP_SCORE(0.76)[ip: (2.83), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.42), asn: 8560(2.39), country: DE(-0.01)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:37:27 -0000 On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:34:40 +0200, hw wrote: > George Hartzell writes: > > [...] > > > > The third hand (gripping hand, for you Pohl fans) is to build all of > > your things offline using poudriere/synth and then manage them with > > the pkg tools. It works best when you know what you want, and/or can > > be patient when you decide you want new things. > > Thanks! Somehow I thought this would be a lot easier --- and of course, > it isn't. For now, I'll stick with the binary packages until there's > good reason not to. Anything else is too time consuming because there > is so much that I need to figure out first. Once you have setup your build environment, you can automate a lot of things. But as you have seen, this requires some work upfront. However, if you need a lot of custom-built software, poudriere or synth are very convenient tools, and in the end, you can use pkg to interface with their results. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...