From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 11 1:55:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB7237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA7B43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0050.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.50] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iX8I-0002Lw-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:55:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3E48C832.E9351F13@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:53:54 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Modelling complexity (was: Re: matthew dillon) References: <200302110511.h1B5BC130043@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a48bed5174541b5a7c23770088565cfd0d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: [ ... Blah blah blah ... SPAM is good for you ... blah blah blah ... there is no such thing as bad information .... blah blah blah ... denial of service attacks don't exist ... blah blah blah ... if everyone in the world were on the same mailing list, you'd have the same problem and be unable to fix it, so there! ... blah blah blah ... ] > I might actually admit you were correct about a couple of your > assertions involving game theory if I could find the references > to which you speak. Here is a reading list, in no particular order; I've kept it to English, given that that's the language of this list: Nonlinear Dynamics, Mathematical Biology and Social Science (Santa Fe Institute Series, Lecture Notes, Vol 4) Joshua M. Epstein Perseus Publishing ISBN: 0201419882 Game Theory: A Nontechnical Introduction Morton D. Davis, Langdon Davis Dover Publications ISBN: 0486296725 The Economy As an Evolving Complex System (Sante Fe Institute Studies in the Sciences of Complexity, Vol 5) Philip W. Anderson, David Pines Westview Press ISBN: 0201156857 A First Course on Zero Sum Repeated Games Sylvain Sorin Springer Verlag ISBN: 3540430288 The Calculus of Conventional War: Dynamic Analysis Without Lanchester Theory (Studies in Defense Policy) Joshua M. Epstein The Brookings Institute ISBN: 0815724519 The Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution Stuart A. Kauffman Oxford University Press ISBN: 0195079515 The Selfish Gene Richard Dawkins Oxford University Press ISBN: 0192860925 Linked: The New Science of Networks Albert-L=E1szl=F3 Barab=E1si Perseus Publishing ISBN: 0738206679 Generalized Linear Models, Second Edition Peter McCullagh, J. A. Nelder CRC Press ISBN: 0412317605 The Origins of Virtue: Human Instincts and the Evolution of Cooperation Matt Ridley Penguin USA ISBN: 0140264450 Bionomics: Economy As Ecosystem Michael Rothschild Henry Holt ASIN: 0805019790 Defense Positioning and Geometry: Rules for a World With Low Force Levels Raj Gupta The Brookings Institute ISBN: 0815733127 The Evolution of Cooperation Robert Axelrod Basic Books ISBN: 0465021212 = > >> > Please understand the technology involved before telling people > >> > how they should use it. > >> > >> Please understand the people involved before attempting to force > >> people to behave based on a particular choice of technology. =3D) > > > > The technology used dictates the permissable behaviours of > > the people using it; > = > This is obviously false, since people constantly behave otherwise. > Regardless, this should never be true, since technology is a servant, > not a master. Tell that to gravity. While you are at it, add the following on the emergent properties of complex systems: Growing Artificial Societies: Social Science from the Bottom Up Joshua M. Epstein, 2050 Project, Robert L. Axtell MIT Press ISBN: 0262550253 The Emergence of Everything: How the World Became Complex Harold J. Morowitz Oxford University Press ISBN: 019513513X Emergence Steven Johnson Touchstone Books ISBN: 0684868768 Smart Mobs: The Next Social Revolution Howard Rheingold Perseus Publishing ISBN: 0738206083 -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message