From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Apr 21 17:04:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389E2FB3476 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x241.google.com (mail-io0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67A37D3FD for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x241.google.com with SMTP id d6-v6so13889833iog.1 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=2fhSJvcYCLvjSnZWiV3wPPBRBSbwwDBUCM0AnLk0D5E=; b=D/Xg1KXWCFmyR4KeE6DaWAg5JobYUOJzTtXP9fy/kpi0xbXr8IAxP+tjdNfjbOcHvw 6P/ey1GecGs4RenFy3ib6/5Ff6olzgjUPe267YSpfn4895R82UvoBIZQ+jsvO+YUEDbC fhPFZzQeRE9+4X+CAhDu6LJS4JuHESrvoICJYBEgUJOXmLk0wn4QafxAsA6P6djnMzzA YU9tsGqXMQOvICKUe0M3Q92OzAVLtpWRFwZ2COpbP0V2r+4EajOZtH52+4xVKc9yGnTp 7MlsTdNJvW02eQMrhqBbcnpXilEO+gul2Dvu/m0g3r/8PtQqZ2cOHu3+tqBoobqx3GLI Ft7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2fhSJvcYCLvjSnZWiV3wPPBRBSbwwDBUCM0AnLk0D5E=; b=RcGQ88OMpEZppp1KLcXuA+ZGRJ4GgyVSHB5g1xDybLPy+bgfuSb6SeoF5Pnex2YtwG C/dPq7GmDpGAVfs9PJmojdKqH2dX3rvhkMCmvsyDwgYPrHE+tLMqikuAGbzAQ4fo66Be 3xL1+dDfpWq/+lbCTPisXHJipaA0r4XvgQ2mIdeTeuIvjN1UypbWVGDLS7rO+mCfCGcG hZbg92fCl041cXBCi3TYnmYhWaWA5Jn3Cob50BZkUAmIorJx+MsGRy03nEEmLmMCCMb9 Vrfx4oph/JYYFKjio0jYKcRPAldnhaQgyqRZxg7wTkYbPcTFd/S0a22ywgn6m8zJwQ3A ZMjw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tB/ZYYSsfBNt0GgBNUO1jKNVUHgm50i+gVbEzAI0n279P+L88El Twz6oOxIiQi+t8r5D0UxJy/cyk3Xu8TXsGs+bkhFCg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48fWQm417J5zxzTAeiNhWMkctNC3sQeUfTHXIl4sNUJhS/PQ6UpF+xcmtZSxWpRRfes6j7kZsk4zbomXFFpd4w= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:be01:: with SMTP id o1-v6mr14664056iof.299.1524330252094; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 2002:a4f:a604:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [107.77.200.57] In-Reply-To: References: <01000162df15f856-1e5d2641-2a72-4250-8d8e-adcd47bc5db4-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20180419204405.GE6887@kib.kiev.ua> <20180419214550.GF6887@kib.kiev.ua> <01000162e58a466e-98f0305b-1723-467a-bc49-342c3fa9fc5b-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20180421092049.GM6887@kib.kiev.ua> <20180421123544.56d7e690@ernst.home> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:04:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 64YjlNXtaOG43UJKoSvj2a2Oakg Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: Hiding per-CPU kernel output behind bootverbose To: Julian Elischer Cc: Stefan Blachmann , gljennjohn@gmail.com, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Colin Percival , Konstantin Belousov , Conrad Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:04:13 -0000 On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 21/4/18 9:03 pm, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > >> For example, it is just amazing to see how all reports about massive >> flaws in kernel microcode detection/updating and all offered patches >> are being blatantly ignored for many years. See for example: >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192487 >> > yes I saw that but Only a handful of people know what's going on there so > 99% of the > developers just stood back and said "I hope someone who understands this > picks it up". > I didn't follow the one response I saw. So I couldn't decide on who had > the better argument. Except that I said "sure, I'll integrate it, but you need to do these things" and Stefan said "oh, lemme get you the code" and I never heard back anything except complaints that it hasn't been integrated yet. Not playing well with others makes them less willing to help you. Warner