From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 04:39:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D8E16A420 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:39:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858BE43D46 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:39:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 2849222 for multiple; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:37:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.15] (osx.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAU4d2RY077256; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:39:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: <200511300320.jAU3K6Ib064373@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200511300320.jAU3K6Ib064373@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <820FF69A-D915-4421-9F8E-B481607BDE38@FreeBSD.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Baldwin Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:38:52 -0500 To: Takeo Hashimoto X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1653887525 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:39:26 -0000 On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:20 AM, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: > The following reply was made to PR advocacy/89731; it has been > noted by GNATS. > > From: takeo@ss.jip.co.jp (Takeo Hashimoto) > To: jhb@freebsd.org, postmaster@jp.FreeBSD.org > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, hashimototakeo@mac.com, > freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, takeo@ss.jip.co.jp > Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's > mailing list > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:12:09 +0900 > > Hi all. > > # Sorry from another 'from' address, > # but I am the sender of advocacy/89731. > > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:28:31 -0500 > John Baldwin wrote: >> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:36 pm, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: >>>> Description: >>> >>> there are too many spams on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list. >>> - newbie can not find any kind of know-how from ML archive site. >>> - almost expert user are disappointed at miserable state of >>> community. >>> - oldie does not think about mass happiness. >>> - once you post article to lists, spammer get your address from >>> archive. >>> - waste network traffic and server resource. >>> - distinct honor of "FreeBSD is a freedom for spammer" >> >> Note that FreeBSD.org doesn't administer the services on >> jp.FreeBSD.org. >> Instead, jp.FreeBSD.org is delegated to a separate group that >> manages all of >> the resources for jp.FreeBSD.org including DNS, mailing lists, >> etc. You need >> to contact the folks there via postmaster@jp.FreeBSD.org. Note >> also that >> spam is an unfortunate reality and that there is only so much that >> a public >> mailing list run by volunteers in their spare time can do. >> >> -- > > I know that jp.FreeBSD.org is just one of sub domain > of FreeBSD.org, and FreeBSD.org doesn't administer it, > and FreeBSD.org doesn't have a fault about this. > > But spam damages FreeBSD own honor. > I think that this is a whole FreeBSD problem, and > I think that only FreeBSD.org can make jp.FreeBSD.org change. > # so I did send-pr. > > Of course I know the admins of jp.freebsd.org are busy. > I respect thier volunteer mind, but sorry to say, > the way admin do it is arbitrary. > I think transparency and democracy is necessary > for a decision on will, like a core team. > > OK, we can protect our mailbox by some filter. but spam > pollutes ML archive (on the web) and spammer can get more > reachable addresses. That is not an individual problem. > that is a matter of ML management policy. > and it should be changed to get happiness of the majority. > > Admins are volunteer, and they don't have much time, > so we have to search the solution which get the biggest > effect by the minimum cost. > > I think "restrict_post" is the answer. If you do this for all of the mailing lists then someone has to spend their volunteer time wading through the blocked e-mails to send on the ones which are valid. This means that someone new to FreeBSD will likely have their questions lost because the e-mail will never make it to the list (e.g. freebsd-questions) and would make it that much harder for new people to get help getting started with FreeBSD. Adding restrict_post actually is a lot of work on the admins since someone has to handle all the bounced e-mails. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org