From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 20 00:16:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F9216A401 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@gbch.net) Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.143.238.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D6B043D53 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gjb@gbch.net) Received: (qmail 69470 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 10:16:37 +1000 Received: from iliad.gbch.net (172.16.1.9) by gw.gbch.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 10:16:37 +1000 Received: (qmail 3927 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Apr 2006 10:16:34 +1000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:16:34 +1000 From: Greg Black To: Brooks Davis References: <20060419040716.4F26116A45F@hub.freebsd.org> <20060419095207.GC19339@wjv.com> <44462C07.4030903@centtech.com> <444634C1.9080206@centtech.com> <346a80220604190746n69a74a67te58599f743312cab@mail.gmail.com> <20060419234343.GG28496@spc.org> <20060419235752.GA19865@odin.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060419235752.GA19865@odin.ac.hmc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i; gjb-muttsend.sh 1.7 2004-10-05 X-Uptime: 49 days X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 X-Location: Brisbane, Australia; 27.49841S 152.98439E X-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb.html X-Blog: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/blog/ X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: EBB2 2A92 A79D 1533 AC00 3C46 5D83 B6FB 4B04 B7D6 X-Request-PGP: http://www.gbch.net/keys/4B04B7D6.asc Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, cokane@cokane.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:46 -0000 On 2006-04-19, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 12:43:43AM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: > > > My point is that we should let our purist values get in the way of others' > > > enhanced experience using the system. > > > > My view is: We take the patch, as long as it doesn't interfere with > > the internal machinations of rc too much. > > > > There are good aesthetic and functional arguments on either side. > > Given the excellent work on rc to date, we have clean abstractions > > in rc itself, so fitting colour-aesthetics in does not have a high > > maintenance cost. > > I agree with this line of reasoning. So long as things are kept > modular and don't cause maintance headaches when working on the > internals I'd like to see this sort of work encouraged and encorporated > into the tree. While there's something to be said for console output > that shows everthing there's also something to be said for console > output that only shows whats actually important. Giving people room to > explore other options could yeild something much better than what we > currently have. Perhaps the default setup, while having all the pretty stuff turned off, could include one or two lines as close to the bottom of the output as possible that simply listed the new options so those who wanted them would know how to get the features and the rest of us would be gently reminded of what we were missing without damaging the output that we prefer. Greg