From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jul 12 08:32:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09032 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09024; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21648; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970712113103.00c86100@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:31:06 -0400 To: "Gary Palmer" From: dennis Subject: Re: T1 upgrade options? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:46 PM 7/11/97 -0400, Gary Palmer wrote: >dennis wrote in message ID ><3.0.32.19970711185756.00f0f100@etinc.com>: >> At 06:27 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >dennis wrote in message ID >> ><3.0.32.19970711171713.00e01550@etinc.com>: >> >> I get more video and ethernet card failures that hard drive failures >> >> on a router........why not try to build one without a power >> >> supply....that will really increase your uptime! > >> >Why does a router need a video card? Seems that you aren't doing the >> >`right thing' and reducing the number of `critical' components. > >> this is the kind of silliness that Im talking about. A video card is "nice", >> and if it one fails once I year I like that trade off. It takes more of my >> time to deal with the machine without a video card then it does to >> swap one out *if* it fails.... > >It's not silliness at all. You are putting your systems up against >dedicated boxes, and I'd expect you to make them as reliable as >possible. Personally, I fail to see *ANY* use for a video card in a >BSD router apart from when you have to alter BIOS values. COMCONSOLE >works good enough for freefall and wcarchive to be remotely maintained >without physical intervention. You can even use DDB et all over serial. First of all, YOU are putting our systems up against dedicated routers, we sell cards, systems for convenience. I have a cisco router and I find it rather annoying to have to wire up a terminal to it to upgrade software or do any maintenance that requires console access. You'll be doing upgrades or maintenance much more often then your video card will fail, and if it fails it will not bring your system down anyway. THATS why, and if you dont like it take the damn thing out....I dont care. :-) Dennis > >Difference of opinion I guess. I know I'm a core team member, and that >I should probably put FreeBSD on a pedastal and worship it. However, I >also know *ANY* unix has it's limits. It's not designed with the >optimizations that IOS has, for example, to make packet >switching/routing faster. > >I'm not saying I wouldn't use FreeBSD for a router, but that if I >needed to put a router in a situation where people could use the >reliability of a non-PC based solution, I'd recommended a Cisco >without thinking. e.g. Webspan (the company I work for) has a number >of 2501s at remote sites. Most of them are not situations where I'd >put a PC (poor ventilation, limited access, or a number of other >reasons). The 2501 works fine. > >Gary >-- >Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member >FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > >