From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 4 10:58:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8600F1065677 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040588FC08 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q54Awj4R034594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:58:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FCC94E5.9040506@digsys.bg> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:58:45 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> <20120602004230.GA14487@in-addr.com> <201206040224.q542OBqk085897@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <201206040224.q542OBqk085897@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 10:58:48 -0000 On 04.06.12 05:24, Dave Hayes wrote: > Anyway, given my workload, it will probably take me a man week to get > two virtualized test servers. Someone I know with a vmware gui and > windows is doing this in 15 minutes (and that's being careful). Just > my $0.02. You are unfortunately comparing apples with oranges here. If you want true comparison, compare how fast you will have VirtualBox OSE up and running on both FreeBSD and Windows. Both of you start with a system where it has to be compiled and installed. I guess your Windows friend will stop at "compiler? what?". You can't get the source code of vmware and compile it yourself, of course.. that's just another little detail. Not the same? They get the thing pre-compiled? So could you. Thing is, once you go trough the trouble to install VirtualBox on FreeBSD you get a lot more usable vrtualization platform, with things like ZFS that aren't going to be available on Windows. It was mentioned a number of times already, that if you want to run "binary only" you would be better with PC-BSD -- and system based on FreeBSD (so it has most, but not all of the goodies), and someone else pre-compiles and pre-packages software for you. Just one click install. So, if you used PC-BSD, you could have had VirtualBox running perhaps for the same time an Windows user would. There is place for binary-only systems and systems where you are able to rebuild everything from source. FreeBSD tends to focus on the later while various folk (like PC-BSD) use the great FreeBSD platform to offer easier to use binary only systems. Of course, you could use the FreeBSD ports tree and build from source on PC-BSD too. Daniel