From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 2 23:31: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E170F37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from globalhead.caustic.org (ip-66-80-5-169.dsl.sca.megapath.net [66.80.5.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4585243F75 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:31:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by globalhead.caustic.org (8.12.7/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h137Uwae002012; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (localhost.caustic.org [IPv6:::1]) by pogo.caustic.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h137Uv9U008891; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h137Uu1N008888; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) X-Authentication-Warning: pogo.caustic.org: jan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Larry Sica Cc: Brad Knowles , John Martinez , , Subject: Re: oh my god the nasa shuttle blewup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030202231612.B63914-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Larry Sica wrote: > 1. NASA was prepared to deal with an accident this time. Challenger > they were caught with their pants down. > 2. Everything points to a malfunction/failure not a design flaw. everything so far. Challenger was a design flaw, found to late. the shuttles are past their original useful life expectancy. we'll see more "minor" failures before another spectacular one. > Wont happen, this is way to important to NASA, and the rest of the > world. This is not a US project, but a world project. this project is more important to the US than anyone else. while ESA and our Russian friends are involved, we're the ones that've invested the most time and money in to it. > Yes. It wasn't a terrorist is my gut feeling. To have it blow up on > re-entry 200,000 feet up. They couldnt do it with a missile - we'd > have seen it. As for a bomb, from todays conference it doesn't sound > like that. what stuns me is how many people WANT it to be a bomb or missle. i don't know of a single SAM or AAM that can get to that altitude, it would have been detected, and on radar well before hitting the shuttle. the return flight is plotted out, and very heavily monitored by many different agencies (FAA, NASA, USAF, etc) for anything that might be a problem. getting a bomb to the shuttle is what's left for an external cause. very unlikely. NASA's launch facilities are well guarded, and the launch vehicle is heavily protected and examined before even getting to the launch pad. once there, it's under more guard, cameras, and key. NASA has no qualms in stopping or delaying a launch for any reason, we've seen that over the last 10 years. this is a "simple" failure. something went horribly wrong, and there's nothing that could have been done to prevent it. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends." -- Tom Waits To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message