From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 17 23:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492CC16A473 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from mail1.webmaster.com (mail1.webmaster.com [216.152.64.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396D113C4D5 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from however by webmaster.com (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id md50001813845.msg for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:40:02 -0800 From: "David Schwartz" To: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <868x3trnlk.fsf@ds4.des.no> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:40:02 -0800 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:40:03 -0800 Cc: Rob , FreeBSD Chat , "Tedm@Toybox. Placo. Com" , Andrew Falanga Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:39:54 -0000 > Java was little more than a toy in 1995, and Netscape did not support = it > until Navigator 2.0 was released in March, 1996. There was no way > Microsoft could consider "the Netscape / Java combination" a threat in > May 1995, because it simply did not exist. >=20 > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no I'm sorry, but this is contradicted by the historical record. Further, = your argument is not logical. Bill Gates could certainly anticipate = threats even when they did not yet exist. Both Java and Netscape existed = at the time, the Internet was growing at the time, and both technologies = (especially together) had the clear implication that it didn't matter = what OS you were running. -- http://www.businessweek.com/1996/29/b34842.htm Despite MSN, by May, 1995, Gates was sounding the Internet alarm. He = issued ``The Internet Tidal Wave,'' a memo that hit on the themes that = had been reverberating throughout Silicon Valley. He declared that the = Net was the ``most important single development'' since the IBM PC. ``I = have gone through several stages of increasing my views of its = importance. Now, I assign the Internet the highest level,'' he wrote. On May 27, Slivka issued his own alarm, titled ``The Web Is the Next = Platform.'' He warned that the Web had the potential to supersede = Windows. Says Slivka: ``I don't know if I actually believed that would = happen. But I wanted to make a point.'' -- http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,2069360,00.htm One example: the threat to Microsoft's operating system posed by joining = browser and Java technologies. According to Jackson's ruling, Microsoft = Chairman and CEO Bill Gates on May 26, 1995 wrote in an e-mail that "the = Netscape/Java combination threatens to "commoditise' the operating = system." -- http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2600/vii-d.pdf See section 398. -- DS