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[76.126.107.221]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z15sm9938082pfg.152.2020.04.13.18.24.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Theron Tarigo Subject: Re: Ars Technica article To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Niclas Zeising , Grzegorz Junka , "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" , emaste@freebsd.org References: <4e3bf6be-aecf-7c62-df98-1cc4b01b8db9@gmail.com> <43f83193-e495-2bf2-f85d-91aa0b36c1a0@gmail.com> <0e205fe8-fbc6-5d91-99b0-1bd4870b8a5d@gmail.com> <536A0D50-4119-4C28-9202-28622152B203@freebsd.org> <20200413052406.GA90880@FreeBSD.org> <20200413075034.GA46382@FreeBSD.org> <2761dfd9-f031-9a47-024e-71ef29f9ac23@gjunka.com> <24943162-97e4-7221-45c8-aeda7907c168@gmail.com> From: Theron Message-ID: <9376cd2c-893b-bf9f-ea45-f4805dc74947@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:23:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 491STP65Bwz4TK6 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LnKMUdKF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of therontarigo@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=therontarigo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[221.107.126.76.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.13), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.33), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:24:58 -0000 On 2020-04-13 21:01, Kevin Oberman wrote: > It is, of course, drm-fbsd12.0-kmod is actually the port. I did mean to refer to drm-fbsd12.0-kmod, not the meta-port, but I wasn't clear. > This problem has hit both drm-fbsd12.0-kmod and virtualbox-ose-kmod in > the past and has caused real pain that would have avoided by simply > building a trusted port for these kmod ports whenever a RELEASE is made. I'm not sure what you have in mind.  12.x installations share a single pkg repository, although Ed Maste has suggested (in the Github issue) using minor-release-specific repository overlays for kmod ports.  To me it sounds like the "right thing" but I'm not clear on the technical and maintenance obstacles. > Of course, people running head or STABLE should be aware that they > should build these ports from source and not install a package. Ideally so, and mostly it seems to be -RELEASE users complaining about the packages, however considering that kmod incompatibility is system-fatal while port userspace ABI breakage is usually not, an appropriate pkg-message might be appreciated. Theron