From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 20 1:52: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED8237B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAK9wqF11734; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011200958.eAK9wqF11734@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:56:48 +1030." <20001120125647.B58333@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:58:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 21:20:43 -0500, Mike O'Dell wrote: > > > > having partition tables on disks is just as much part of > > the "PC architecture" as having to deal with the unpleasant > > ealities of BIOS. use the hardware, play the game. > > deal with it. > > Fine, if there's no alternative. But you're ignoring the fact that > there is. We get rid of the BIOS as soon as we can after the boot. > Why stick with the disk layout? Remember, I'm not saying "let's > implement dedicated disks", I'm saying "let's not throw out dedicated > disks". Just so that some poor sap that searches on this topic doesn't get swamped by your FUD, I'll answer this question *again*. Because the mere *presence* of a disk with a DD layout in the system - not the boot disk, not even a disk ever accessed by the bootstrap process - can and will in some cases cause standards-compliant adapter firmware to *crash* or otherwise fail in a fashion which renders the system unable to boot. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message