From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 25 00:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE4916A4CE for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:29:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3167B43D1D for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:29:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from [66.47.111.183] (helo=joeandlane.com) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1ChzoE-0000hl-N8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:29:26 -0500 Received: from joeandlane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBP0SjCb021310 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBP0SjtF021309 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) X-Authentication-Warning: joeandlane.com: lholcombe set sender to lane@joeandlane.com using -f From: Lane To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:45 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20041223112731.GA32750@ninja.terrabionic.com> <41CC9DE0.6010500@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412241828.45642.lane@joeandlane.com> X-ELNK-Trace: e56a4b6ca9bdfda11aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79416240ef79443997899ed7a4a36f33e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.47.111.183 Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:29:27 -0000 On Friday 24 December 2004 17:08, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Chris writes: > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > Responding to Chris: CSS is neither outdated nor a Windows thing. You > > > apparently need to get an extra clue or two before you rejoin this > > > discussion. > > > > Not really - Some years back MS made a big issue about CSS. It was > > then that I lost interest in web devel. Besides - web devel isn't my > > bag, so I really don't think that I need to have or get a clue. > > CSS is a W3 standard, but was originally designed by the CTO of Opera > Software, a company which is one of Microsoft's more vocal detractors > and which recently received a large settlement in a lawsuit regarding > Microsoft's (alleged) intentional efforts to make their website render > poorly in Opera's browser. IE handles CSS1 badly, and CSS2 almost not > at all. Calling it a Windows thing severely misrepresents the facts. > > > One does not need to know how to rebuild an engine to know how to > > drive the car. > > One should not criticize the design of an engine while vehemently > claiming to have no interest in how enginges are built. > > DES Hey, beastie! I've just come back to the list after some years away, and I must say I've been well entertained by the "Visual Identity" thread these last few days! Someone, I forget whom, kept mentioning the "bikeshed," and that is what caught my attention. So I went the the plain-old drab website at www.freebsd.org and enterend the term in the search form, just to refresh my memory. Then I followed all of the links until I came to the original "bikeshed" post. I include a link here for reference, in case anyone else wants a good laugh: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=506636+517178+/usr/local/www/db/text/1999/freebsd-hackers/19991003.freebsd-hackers Hope the link doesn't get folded in the email process. I think that one does not necessarily have to have experience building a bikeshed to know what it is. But it's always good exercise building one! Flame On! lane P.S. I also looked up Brett Glass on google. They say any publicity is good publicity, but I'm not so sure in his case.