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[68.33.73.40]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d62sm2810503qkc.45.2017.05.31.15.44.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 May 2017 15:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Trigg Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:44:32 -0400 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <589B133C-0175-4DD2-8847-5A3E0E697B36@dsl-only.net> <20170530200629.GA10517@lonesome.com> <20170530215306.GB11098@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The future of portmaster [and of ports-mgmt/synth] To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Kevin Oberman , Mark Linimon CC: Per olof Ljungmark , FreeBSD Ports ML From: Jim Trigg Message-ID: <1E02ABC1-C4B7-4947-B6FB-1C3573A76176@huiekin.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:44:39 -0000 If you can give me access to a development system, I'll help=2E (I only have a production server for the domains I host for a few not-for-= profit organizations, and my home server is currently out of service with a= bad power supply=2E) Jim Trigg On May 30, 2017 8:10:17 PM EDT, Kevin Oberman wrot= e: >On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Mark Linimon >wrote: > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:46:46PM +0200, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> > Hello, I have not followed this thread before but just wanted to >say >> > that I use portmaster extensively, it works for us and I would miss >> > it if it went=2E Are there actually plans to retire it? >> >> To reiterate the status: >> >> * some extensive changes to the ports framework are coming; >> * these will require large changes to all the port upgrade tools; >> * no one has stepped forwards to offer to do the work for anything >> other than poudriere AFAIK=2E >> >> If no one does the work, at the time the large changes come, the >> other tools will break=2E >> >> People have been wanting subpackages (aka flavors) for many years; >> IIUC these are parts of the changes that are coming=2E >> >> Someone needs to step forwards and say "yes, I will do the work=2E" >> >> mcl > > >Since portmaster is still popult and since the only solutions that >looks to >be available in the near term are pouderiere or raw make, neither >terribly >viable for many, I will look into updating portmaster to deal with >'flavors'=2E This looks fairly straight forward and I my have the sh >capability to manage it=2E (And then again, I am far from a great shell >person, so I may well be wrong=2E) I have looked at Doug's script and it >is >pretty readable, but writing may require help=2E > >Can someone point me where to look for documentation on flavors? I have >poked around the wiki, but to no avail=2E Unless there is documentation >on >what needs to be done, doing it will be hopeless and waiting for the >packaging system to updated means portmaster WILL be broken for some >period >of time=2E >-- >Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer >E-mail: rkoberman@gmail=2Ecom >PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed May 31 23:57:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F81BED4D9 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 23:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from viclamta22p.bpe.bigpond.com (viclamta22p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "", Issuer "Openwave Messaging Inc." 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Why does it suit us? Because we have a limited > number of systems, [...] And the sytems we do have can be somewhat limited; I mean, Ada, FFS? -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."