From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Sat May 11 19:50:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5C815A61CB for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 19:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4050F6F36C for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 19:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id y42so10510912qtk.6 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 12:50:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2TVO4ZiWIMPiXzEeNE1JIEiE3xbLaOctqh1XfDyT4z8=; b=JVqiB2g/q8nb5TAkc23HUEWl8tcY57fo96nsxisJkcp2hpXdmYFWSkjKENevejr58c b4meRWkoX/T4DY+gS4k8rG/36xeoGKE8NI4TsqM54U6KSlm7EkfX7ceRxENXHqPKI3DI vb01rMNI7xA2VeP5qpLDCuhWvSc3kNkwi2Yrb98UAZNCEedzcGGpN47uuTua2GMkABAj ZOQ9oOhZPBZdGtgCYN71J4XQm8ClCRvtPTR9Cp8U0jm+QkTSNpA3XZU6MmfQaR70TyYC OBcQCvsFlMuTGwsabe83v7tzkn2B1+oIFNzLNvrLDHl2nqWjmm/wGkviBlGWorGABNO8 Kesw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2TVO4ZiWIMPiXzEeNE1JIEiE3xbLaOctqh1XfDyT4z8=; b=CfFNziZ7G2IS7MSaktFAnTN0AfY3rueBHeEFwShTk5wBk1llLyZFOrC5W157kOBquO DVFZiPC5/s1/IFzzM5Fj9Q7YqBR+wWLve9yErxgck8aMyWtFDrO/CNZGYU33xCkUsHQO gN6lhcSd7Zwy8HGK9+9EorKpuAc7QQ7Xl3eSKPdGl1AiqiOBNZEW+vcBQVw0QhwURmaO Ru5t/QFrb/Ivh9P+vijoFoslrUBeJ4sE48bwpD/7BCsxve/qrJDbMIhPgh8vFUAtYECb qkvvSR0A/bYokRQHUjIc5K1wGV4stbh//vg3XVnpfXdJ2UmbVnRjWQaxGFCQ2wGYBOww ofQA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW0QCGawD2vHff5zTBEvjXa+KWnOdXjmQdsmmB7LL/ZIP6vr8SA HZ20ywQn7ZTqDKg3hqcilX5gg6cgYLIp0SvgfnMyGQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrOXauMMrkv3ZwBcKw/2SYVsz7TO5/Fca2LQUAOt2eOwTB4CjAh5mfipYkzKkxa8LN5rG04o1j0xdsuMUyV5I= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:424c:: with SMTP id l12mr13802060qvq.57.1557604252430; Sat, 11 May 2019 12:50:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201905111433.x4BEWnlX058386@fire.js.berklix.net> <201905111653.x4BGra67032718@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201905111653.x4BGra67032718@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 14:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Julian H. 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Grimes < freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet drivers > > > as previous approved in FCP-101. > > > The following drivers are slated for > > > removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): > > > > > > ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > > > OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of > > spare) that will never be able to upgrade. > > I thought ed was already saved from this process, as that is the NE2000 > driver, probably the most cloned network device on the planet. > It was even a decade ago, but the world moved on. virtualization has supported newer NICs for years. Ed(4) doesn't do DMA and is quite limited in terms of what it can do. But even so, we'd set the threshold at 5 or 10 installed machines running 11 or newer. If Julian legit has that many machines, then we can remove it from the list. In the initial period of this process, all the folks that were concerned turned put to not have machines. The nycbug dmesg stats also showed no use after 8 or so. Warner -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >