From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 14:33:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41F6106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437F68FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF578.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.245.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7OEXPdX016864 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:33:26 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7OEXCqP015454 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7OEX63K003598 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201208241433.q7OEX63K003598@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:06:18 EDT." <201208231606.18346.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:06 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: Removing CVS from base X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:33:28 -0000 John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:41:03 pm Peter Wemm wrote: > > * Don't expect to see any 10.0-alpha/beta/rc/release/stable to *ever* > > make it to an official cvs tree. It's probably time to move a > > freebsd-ified cvs from head to ports. > > I think this is a bit premature. Just because we are moving away from > using CVS as FreeBSD's scm doesn't mean CVS isn't a useful > general-purpose tool still. For smaller repositories that don't need > fancier things like branches, CVS is quite useful and far lighter weight. > > I could see moving csup out to ports, but not necessarily CVS. Agreed. Principle of least suprise. CVS seems a standard Unix tool & source archive format, something people from other Unix distribs might expect by default. ( Like SCCs once was, between the mists of PWB, forward & beyond a BSD-4.2&3 Symmetric 375 (ex Bill Jollitz of 386BSD) For those of us that have [had to] work with lots of different Unix flavours, it's a PITA having gratuitious extra UNIX variant weirdnesses; (This missing here, that missing or renamed there etc). No need to make standard FreeBSD base awkward for people visiting from other Unixes. To avoid making 7.4M of src/contrib/cvs We have WITHOUT_CVS in man src.conf. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/