From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 07:54:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AB31065674 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2B68FC0C for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8I7sgpF044712; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q8I7sgrE044709; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:54:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Lorenzo Cogotti Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:46 -0000 > Replying more to the Wayland comments, yes.. > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD need to implement the Wayland `protocol` > because xorg-server development is slowly being killed over time, but that's the main reason i already frozen package tree, so i will be able to use Xorg in 5 years or more. Wayland is the step that destroyed main adventage of X11 protocol - network transparency. And yes i use it heavily. Actually i don't see any real future for wayland and linux. Linux is already pushed out by *BSD on the professional side, and by Windows, Mac OS X,"smart"phones, android, etc... on avarage user size, with real "linux users" being less than 0.1% of all. Android is linux based but mostly kernel side. Of course you may see much higher stats as a lot of people have linux installed altogether with windows or Mac OS X, they normally use the latter, but want to be proud of being linux user. Linux now is mostly hype. Still it's very loud about it but that's only media reality.