From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Nov 18 1:59:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EACF37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust47.cdf.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1F243E91 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18DigT-0005Y5-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:59:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:59:13 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time (Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?) Message-ID: <20021118095913.GA21088@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20021118002315.GA13171@submonkey.net> <20021118022259.062A1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021118022259.062A1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:22:59AM +0100, Thomas Seck wrote: > * Ceri Davies (setantae@submonkey.net): > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:02:55AM +0100, Thomas Seck wrote: > >> > >> Basically, you want others to do the developing, testing and patching > >> and keep the complaining part for yourself. > > > > Umm, there aren't any patches for Marc to apply. > > If there were, then this whole discussion wouldn't even be here (because he > > wouldn't be having problems with -stable in the first place). > > > > I also find people telling Marc that he should do some development, or acting > > as though he is somewhat lacking in clue, is rather amusing. > > Always happy to serve. But please read my mail Marc had replied to - > especially the part not quoted in his reply to get my meaning. If I were > in Marc's position I would run -RELEASE and generate patches for new > features and bugfixes myself from -STABLE after review and test. I think Marc's point is that even if he had tested this in a test environment: 1) This isn't definitely going to find anything like his production environment will; 2) The bugs found would still go unfixed, as he can't find anybody to fix them. Also, to those suggesting that Marc should be running -RELEASE anyway, consider that bugs found in a -RELEASE typically have even less chance of getting fixed than bugs found in -STABLE (because only "critical" bugfixes are allowed). Ceri -- Youi cowardice shall be your demise! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message