From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 4 19: 7:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9165337B91F; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:07:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jazepeda@pacbell.net) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org ([207.214.149.45]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FQX00JLEHZ623@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0352791588; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:06:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zepeda Subject: Re: Great American Gas Out In-reply-to: <200003041741.MAA15002@etinc.com> To: Dennis Cc: Brett Glass , Mark Newton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "Koster, K.J." , Wes Peters Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Dennis wrote: > As for clean air...Im all for it. You might disagree with specific > things being done, but if nothing were done 20 years ago you wouldnt > be able to breath in LA at all. Same here in NY. Yes, but look at the fact that for a fuel injected car with an oxygen sensor (i.e. Lambada-Sond for many European cars), oxygenated fuel just means that more fuel is burnt, creating more pollution. Sure the exhaust is marginally cleaner, but there's also going to be more of the "cleaner" exhaust. In the past twenty years, what has reduced the smog and other pollution the most has been the equipment added to cars themselves (egr equipment, catalytic converters, etc), and well the obviously beneficial elimination of lead in our fuel supply. MTBE causes more harm than good. Sure the air in metropolitan areas (Bay Area, LA, NY) is better than it was 20 or 30 years ago, but with the creeping SUVitis, it's starting to get worse. Sure the exhaust is cleaner, but there's so much more of it that it is still overwhelming the environment. > As a staunch Republican I usually disagree with big tax government > programs..but the gas tax is very reasonable in this country. Now if we > could just do something about those union guys making 100K to put up > signs.......does it really take 6 men to fill a pothole? Sure, the gasoline tax isn't really all that bad (especially compared to what it is in other countries). The real problem lies with the oil refineries managing to make record profits, still price gouge us, and manage to endanger the lives of nearby residents and employees. Tosco manged to char broil four of its employees not too long ago, mainly because of managerial neglence. Also, when comparing the gasoline prices of America to those of other countries, consider that the $1.55/gal gas (well the "cheap stuff") would most likely not be doing too much good for a small high output engine that requires high octane. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message