From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 1 00:17:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ED0FC9 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EC98FC0A for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 00:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r010HLLJ043587; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id r010HF6K043583; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9a1694563581bc1c99900e51b870bd07.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Kevin Oberman" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:17:26 -0000 Greetings Kevin, and thank you for the reply. > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: >> Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. >>> On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >>>> post this question: >>>> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith >>> wrote: >>>> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > -doc@ is a better choice. >>>> > >>>> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >>> noticed >>>> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >>>> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >>>> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. >>>> >>>> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >>>> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance >>> scripts, >>>> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing >>> I'm >>>> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS >>>> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving >>>> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me >>>> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. >>> >>> I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? > > Have you actually looked at subversion? I have, tho not that recently. > It is designed to be as close > as possible to the CVS command structure. I can't imagine what it has > to do with Windows. It was originally written by the same people > responsible for CVS and I am reasonably certain it was written on a > Unix/Linux system. Linux, actually. There were many arguments that, while it was designed to overcome the perceived shortcomings of CVS, that in the end it also created new ones. I was on the lists. I still have the threads, but have had to archive my INBOX so many times over the years, I wouldn't know which one to unpack, nor would I want to bog down the list with this anyway. :) > > I converted all of my scripts from csup to svn in a matter of minutes. > Converting my source and ports trees to svn took a bit longer, but was > almost all in the time it took to copy the files. An 'svn up > /usr/ports' pretty much replaces 'csup ports-supfile', but runs much > faster. > > All of that said, I still use CVS for on thing, RANCiD. (It is a > system for managing router and switch configurations).It can use > either CVS or SVN, but I keep the data is CVS as there is considerable > advantage to being able to grep through the delta files to looks for > some bit that has long been deleted. (We have about15 years worth of > router configurations in our archive.) But this is a special case. I > would never recommend anyone use CVS for general purpose code > management, (Not sure I'd recommend svn, either, but others are far > more of a change from CVS. > You're making a pretty good argument here -- I hate to admit. > Give it a try: > rm -r /usr/src/* && rm /usr/src/.* && svn co > svn://closest_mirror/base/stable/9 /usr/src > Then replace csup with 'svn up /usr/src' > Then, to update, ` I'm skeptical, but I'll look again. It's been awhile, maybe it's much better than it was last I used it. Thank you for all the helpful tips, and taking the time to respond. Happy New Year, to you, and yours! --Chris > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com >