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From: "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net>
To: Mark Felder <feld@feld.me>
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity,
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 02:50:08PM -0600 I heard the voice of
Mark Felder, and lo! it spake thus:
> 
> I've seen  several other things hit -STABLE right after the freeze
> ended early  January which surprise me that they weren't included in
> -RELEASE and we  didn't have another RC.

You mean the 9.0-RELEASE that's scheduled to be done (after having
already slipped a month) at the beginning of Sept 2011?  At some point
(well before those add'l patches you're talking about, IMO) you have
to STOP and release the damn thing already.


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