From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:35:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79FF16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6123343F85 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7692BD0F for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:35:31 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0921E511FC; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:05:29 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:05:29 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ceri Davies , Colin Percival , Chip McClure , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031119233528.GB22360@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <23740.216.195.235.103.1069277586.squirrel@webmail.gigguardian.com> <5.0.2.1.1.20031119222308.02cd8380@popserver.sfu.ca> <20031119224613.GI66785@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031119224613.GI66785@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Subject: Re: SCO Lawsuits, round 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:35:35 -0000 --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 19 November 2003 at 22:46:13 +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:30:39PM +0000, Colin Percival wrote: >> At 13:33 19/11/2003 -0800, Chip McClure wrote: >>> Anyone happen to have a look at Slashdot recently? Happen to wander across >>> an article on the next round of lawsuits, targetting the BSD community. >>> >>> IMO, SCO's grabbing at straws, and they're sinking fast. >>> >>> http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/11/18/1742216.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=85&tid=94 >> >> Personally, I read this as "the SCO-is-evil crowd is grasping at straws". >> >> McBride said: >>> But more importantly, what we are announcing today is a substantial number >>> of copyright issues that relate to a settlement agreement that is already >>> in place around the BSD settlement from the 1994 time frame. As we move >>> forward, we will be outlining those issues >> >> I don't know how people get from there to "SCO is about to sue BSD"; all >> he's saying is that someone has stolen code which *isn't* BSD -- code which >> the settlement agreed belonged to AT&T (err, Novell). > > From http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/3110981: > > "I agree that the more yarn you pull out the more you see," McBride said > during a press briefing at the inaugural Enterprise IT Week at cdXpo > Conference here. "We have enough sorted out, but we are so focused on > the [IBM litigation]. With our limited energies and what our guys are > going through, we probably won't file any suits against BSD until > sometime in the first half of next year." If you look at the followups to the newsforge article, you'll see (by gumout): In case you missed it above: "THE LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT ALSO STIPULATED THAT USL WOULD NOT SUE ANY ORGANIZATION USING 4.4BSD-LITE AS THE BASE FOR THEIR SYSTEM." This seems reasonable. But of course, it's been overtaken by events. SCO themselves released the code in question as open source early last year. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/ for details. Yes, this isn't on the SCO web site, and it never was, but plenty of the people involved can confirm in court that it's genuine. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/u/5AIubykFB6QiMRAl8mAKCZ1jbd4Ti4OSQSQ/dsN2oJVysaiACgoU9s SgFUzOF3fCNBTHHjXjapjEw= =kzDY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou--