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From: Daniel Ebdrup X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: <20190219081511.GA78044@bluezbox.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:49:02 +0100 Cc: Michael Gmelin , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Niclas Zeising , Stefan Blachmann , FreeBSD Current , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Steve Kargl , Mark Linimon , Vladimir Kondratyev Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <77542747-D818-4A61-9D40-934A71D4EAEE@gmail.com> References: <201902181650.x1IGoRsZ006131@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20190218225407.GA7187@lonesome.com> <21E2EBA6-F4EE-4608-B2EA-AF731F892583@freebsd.org> <20190219081511.GA78044@bluezbox.com> To: Oleksandr Tymoshenko X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 38F6585ED6 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DfkpTzt9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of debdrup@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::536 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=debdrup@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.18 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[11]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.68)[ip: (-9.06), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.27), asn: 15169(-1.99), country: US(-0.07)] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 12:56:46 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 12:49:07 -0000 > On 19 Feb 2019, at 09.15, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote:= >=20 > Michael Gmelin (grembo@freebsd.org) wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>>> On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>>> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things >>>> simply on the "5 year old" basis. >>>=20 >>> IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external >>> projects (mainly Linux-based) that are making huge architectural changes= >>> that rely more and more on features from newer hardware. >>>=20 >>> If our upstreams aren't willing to do the work to keep from violating >>> POLA on older hardware, IMHO it's an awful lot to ask of our already >>> thinly stretched graphics volunteers to provide it in their stead. >>>=20 >>> w/rt graphics, we are at far more danger of being left further and >>> further behind on modern hardware than we are at risk of losing users >>> on older hardware here. >>>=20 >>> Again all IMHO. >>>=20 >>> disclaimer: I don't use any fancy graphics stuff, so (as the old folks >>> say around here) >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m very happy (and grateful) that 2018 was the first year in ove= r a decade I was able to run FreeBSD on a state of the art laptop with all t= he features that are essential to me working - which included decent touchpa= d support provided through evdev+libinput. >=20 > I want to second this. evdev + libinput was the only option out of > several that provided smooth multitouch experience for Xorg on my 2018 > laptop I really appreciate all the efforts to make it work both on > kernel and ports side. >=20 > --=20 > gonzo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= If I may throw my 0,02=E2=82=AC, getting a newer graphics stack also gives m= e (and others) the option to combine many machine functions into one; for ex= ample, I can use a single machine as all the usual things like: router+firew= all(ipfw), fileserver which can satuate 1Gbps LAN and WAN with NFSv4 and/or S= MB, and many other things (those aren=E2=80=99t _that_ new) What is new is that we can now use it as a media center for efficient hardwa= re accelerated playback of h264 and h265, as well as on-the-fly transcoding t= o stream to mobile devices via libva or vdpau, qsv or similar.=