From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 15 19:39:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E0FECF for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scott4long@yahoo.com) Received: from nm15-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.176.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C30981652 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.137.12.59] by nm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 19:32:49 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.192] by tm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 19:32:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 19:32:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1366054369; bh=Kk7m3nLVDM0MkNiUhi/dfXMTZv2Mi0EAIB4MzrrfzDw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=h4aw3r9Y8bYtF908foPPVPjEicfLpH5gvdA0P9nNvoY5oglKpWZl0eNEJEpfOZqmuWojOiSu0FZGPQm443E2yplS3BiehpdCrmPn6WGs8POUdgSXm9hUbpul45aQ/Ad3daObiDMwvGPP3K8JXnNfSHXutGhWkqqwMviebgarbbA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407737.54732.bm@smtp203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: MMg.9N0VM1ntHCRxlyk7F7vdB4eTuNecSUnPLzijZCHmTka 0jYwo2NdLiNDzYIcEuz.1fdpGSCCBxxshQxphmCfSinXlwnYhWH0P0qFZiXp 7rBspGhPAclGENhKw05yDOsNGK9WPCztv1UWaGo_YvGRZnufnV.nm3mZ2bIH o5eHkAvkNFXhrZXCDICIB2sGh57_ZT_m2BdSm82yy9Ba8OpWiCq.AMlX3Fp_ iCRsXOdLIy0UZDQgjeO0cu9PgyyCXuPQTT1ULvJo2yy5gEbd_yOc6x7tWm1T vs0tYlxjtP0FQI_3cPMatE4HOz1kqozzxh_yPsACiMeQMz4dwMCajoDv7w9F J4OFaDsKPAz_cYPq0qnQMCFQBhc8sXuwQ8NIX3c9lSHnHf7MxbO3uQmWJuNX A5Lo4vaC31baO_SpfultBqqXNLGf67TMHMzvtIl53Z8BdEfPq1aWgqegHnTD cCtW9klYqf0lQMpMw6TOc3swanRmAM.u2pL8QOGvemC3R7tzvxQY- X-Yahoo-SMTP: clhABp.swBB7fs.LwIJpv3jkWgo2NU8- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.254.206] (scott4long@168.103.85.57 with plain) by smtp203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 12:32:49 -0700 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: ipfilter(4) needs maintainer From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <201304151927.r3FJRtq9002799@slippy.cwsent.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:32:48 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <38F315FF-07D3-451C-9811-D4CF89E9EB8E@yahoo.com> References: <201304151927.r3FJRtq9002799@slippy.cwsent.com> To: Cy Schubert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:37:37 +0000 Cc: Warren Block , "current@freebsd.org" , Chris Rees , Rui Paulo , "net@freebsd.org" , darrenr@freebsd.org, "cpet@sdf.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:39:22 -0000 On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Cy Schubert = wrote: > In message , Scott = Long=20 > writes: >>=20 >> On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Cy Schubert = wrote: >>=20 >>> In message <18DF99B0-6E66-4906-A233-7778451B8A92@felyko.com>, Rui = Paulo=20 >>> writes: >>>> 2013/04/15 9:55=1B$B!"=1B(BCy Schubert = =1B$B$N%a%C%;!<%8=1B >> (B: >>>>=20 >>>>> I've been planning on taking on IP Filter for quite some time.=20 >>>>> Unfortunately I've left my src commit bit lapse (my ports commit = bit is=20 >>>>> alive and well though) thus I'm looking for a mentor. In addition = I'm=20 >>>>> working on an ACER WMI/ACPI kld. One mentor would be preferred but = two=20 >>>>> would be fine too. >>>>=20 >>>> What are your plans regarding ipfilter? I remain unconvinced that = it shoul >> d b >>>> e in the base system. Perhaps you can work on it as a port? >>>=20 >>> The initial plan was to import IP Filter 5.1.2 into HEAD. darrenr@ = hadn't=20 >>> done much with IPF while employed with Sun. Since then there has = been some=20 >>> development that is long overdue for HEAD. >>>=20 >>> I'm not sure if I'd MFC it into 9 or not. >>>=20 >>> I did consider a port but given it would has to touch bits and = pieces of=20 >>> the source tree (/usr/src), a port would be messy and the decision = was made >>=20 >>> to work on importing it into base. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Why do you want to work on something that people have been trying = to remov >> e s >>>> ince 2005? >>>=20 >>> I and others have been using it in FreeBSD for over decade. For the = longest >>=20 >>> of time we'd use a common set of rules across a FreeBSD and Solaris = farm=20 >>> (using ipfmeta, makefiles, rsync, rdist, and a local CVS repo).=20 >>> Interoperability with other systems which use IP Filter is a plus. = If=20 >>> there's a maintainer, it only makes FreeBSD richer. Losing IP Filter = would=20 >>> be a loss. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> If you're committed to maintaining IPFilter, that's great. However, = it can't >> be >> left to stagger along in a zombie state with nothing more than good = intentio >> ns >> from well meaning people. What is your timeline for getting it back = into sha >> pe >> and re-integrating yourself into the committer community? >=20 > I would think this would be my top priority right now. I'd like to see = it=20 > at the latest level in HEAD. I would like to MFC to 9-STABLE at some = point. >=20 > Given that IPF already lives in src/contrib and src/sys/contrib, would = the=20 > change in License from Darren Reed's own not so BSD friendly IPF = license to=20 > GPLv2 be of concern. I recall there was a lot of concern over IPF's = license=20 > change at the time. (FreeBSD moved it to contrib while OpenBSD removed = it=20 > completely and wrote PF -- I'm not sure what NetBSD did). >=20 I would assume that the license change would be OK, especially since the = other option is to remove it (or let it continue to rot and be an eyesore) but = I'll defer to those like Gleb and Rui with a more vested interest in it. Scott