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Date:      Fri, 01 Apr 2022 08:34:57 +0000
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Subject:   [Bug 262853] textproc/libxslt and textproc/libxml2: circular dependencies when using CMake
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--- Comment #17 from Daniel Engberg <diizzy@FreeBSD.org> ---
(In reply to Tijl Coosemans from comment #16)
Agreed, it's always tricky and there are a few issues to consider overall.

While it might be a combination of interest, time and funds (its been menti=
oned
that the project pretty much recieves no funding) or something else upstream
struggles with Autotools and very few induviduals in general wants to touch=
 it.
As a consequence of this we as well as other distros do various hacks to wo=
rk
around  these issues using packaging frameworks without upstreaming because=
 no
one wants to touch it more or less and simply because they're not upstreama=
ble.

That leads us down the road of the maintenance, in that regard I think we c=
an
all agree upon that any form of patching and/or hacking by hand indirectly
discourages people to work on X. Simply because it requires additional
investment trying to figure what XYZ does and what it tries to fix/fixes. In
that regard we do have people, there is general interest in fixing issues a=
nd
upstream is willing to accept patches
(https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxml2/-/issues/360#note_1418502). If I we=
re
to speculate about upstreams current standpoint I'd guess that they're aware
that libxml2 is used on various less common platforms which CMake (in this
case) doesn't support and/or dropped support for a long time ago and simply
don't want to take that discussion.

Since several have contributed and without any vocal objections I'd assume =
that
they're in agreement rather than disagreement. I fully agree that fallouts
never are favourable and should be avoided if possible. That being said, I =
also
think that it may sometimes be necessary to move forward within reasonable
tradeoffs.

Regarding dependencies it's always hard to do a good assessment simply beca=
use
there's no way of telling. I do however think that while we do see projects
migrating from Autotools to mainly CMake and Meson it's fair to say that mo=
st
dependencies are "fortunately" stuck with Autotools due to legacy compatibi=
lity
and/or to simply avoid circular dependency. In case of a switch I think we'=
re
more likely to see a switch to Meson rather than CMake to avoid circular
dependency and due to the fact that CMake and/or Meson are a lot less painf=
ul
to use on Windows platforms than Autotools which many dependencies also
targets.

Best regards,
Daniel

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