From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 10 11:16: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F7B37B402 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0441.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.186] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16k8nB-00074C-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:15:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8BB0C8.9A6D8493@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:15:20 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Robinson Cc: Mike Meyer , Mike Meyer , "Nickolay A.Kritsky" , Peter Leftwich , Miguel Mendez , Cliff Sarginson , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ References: <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15498.28088.976841.7441@guru.mired.org> <3C8A75A1.C567BB02@mindspring.com> <15498.34475.395754.932338@guru.mired.org> <20020310164125.P32897@iconoplex.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Robinson wrote: > And for anybody out there thinking about starting a career in hacking, it IS > big and it IS clever but just be aware that you ARE going to go to prison > unless you're lucky. Or join the CIA or something. :-) From personal experience, I can tell you that federal agencies seem to really not care about cyberwarfare capabilities, or even that other people have them, when the agencies don't seem to. If you look at the prerequisites for employment on the FBI web site, you will see that they are pretty far from what someone competent at cracking/hacking would have on their C.V. already. I ran into an incident a while back, and it took me weeks to find "the right people" to contact; even then, once they were contacted, they were largely indifferent to the threat. I guess it takes someone who has the ability to be able to say "If *I* could abuse this this way, then someone else could" to be alarmed at a capability. It was incredibly tempting to shove their face in it by blowing the information to the news media. You would think that after the immediately pre-September 11th stock market manipulations via Germany, the profits of which most probably went to fund additional terrorism, it would be a different story. Several years ago, I helped out with source tracking for another incident; it turned out "the right people" there were the Secret Service (bizarre; it was an international pump and dump fraud situation involving a SPAMmer with their own telephone exchange on the Isle of Man; who'd have thought the Secret Service were the people to call?!? I'd have been more likely to call Dr. Peter Venkman, myself...). I think the enforcement situation is still highly disorganized and likely to stay that way for quite a while, unfortunately (over half a billion in online credit card fraud last year; that would fund a lot of things I'd rather not think about, if it were in any way an organized effort). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message