From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 26 22:23:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F26A106564A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89158FC12; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.29] (unknown [78.86.207.85]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB95C57007; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:23:44 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: <201201261322.29688.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:23:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201201260937.47448.jhb@freebsd.org> <6D5F6ECE-5966-4849-AFDC-7F385E2CE906@exonetric.com> <201201261322.29688.jhb@freebsd.org> To: John Baldwin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd , Mark Saad Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:23:46 -0000 On 26 Jan 2012, at 18:22, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:49:22 am Mark Blackman wrote: >> a) who is "the project" in this case >> and >> b) what does it take for a release to be a release? >=20 > I'll answer the two together. The project is the entity that "owns" > freebsd.org and a release is not a release unless it is present on > ftp.freebsd.org and has a signed announcement e-mail with hashes, etc. > on the freebsd-announce@ mailing list. Without those things there is > no reason for a user to believe that a particular set of bits is a > legitimate FreeBSD release. Additionally, a release should be = available > via the appropriate tags in the CVS and SVN repositories available = from > freebsd.org machines. Thanks. I wonder who that "entity" is? Everyone with a commit bit, or perhaps just the RE team? Anyway, it's not very important in this context. I also tracked this down, but might be out of date. = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.ht= ml "New releases of FreeBSD are released from the -STABLE branch at = approximately four month intervals." To be honest, I'm sure we all agree this sort of discussion is not = useful on hackers=20 and obviously at some point needs to turn into work rather than points = of view. Mostly it just boils down, "lets see if we can do -STABLE point releases a bit more = frequently". - Mark