From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 25 12:50:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F78B308; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from benlaurie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x230.google.com (mail-qc0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE533196A; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z10so7071139qcx.21 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 05:50:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KA7XavxN98eJz4nK3T8MrhctPeu4r4Xm6945X09XRoY=; b=sIYw2F4f2kkg/b/hHWSmU+HuIjAkU3NIc46FMsoT8xtU1uF6L32aJvoxjr+b9KRZDC 4bQiyCqOyGhD+5eJXf+/sCmHIXdZDFVMdpKpfuhrJ+SP3qRwib/xpps1pcKhiI3z27GU Hcsv1xrbRpTKcJQrV/OKs0KxD85EKkBmW0EJbCmUDURhtxy9q9VausVNgetPDmWc1q07 dpGKfKMG85pv32gFireVGEPngFekeK1S69SNk+6Ga63p87CK84Iz5QOx99/qbSiOqUnk G7ezTZG3qmZPttu/mPEf70V7Yt3WJtYgHPIrA2EdiOP40Q+yGBNC2GFHIyv0Xy5k+Ult NT3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.29.69 with SMTP id p5mr8414897qac.5.1372164653449; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 05:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: benlaurie@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.19.73 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 05:50:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130625103152.GF75533@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20130625104028.GG75533@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20130625113206.GH75533@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20130625115711.GJ75533@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:50:53 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SER7PmH3Nn4oSJ3UUtuwDOXxmWk Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkgng seems to be out of date? From: Ben Laurie To: Baptiste Daroussin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:50:54 -0000 On 25 June 2013 13:35, Ben Laurie wrote: > On 25 June 2013 12:57, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:53:42PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> On 25 June 2013 12:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:56:46AM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> >> On 25 June 2013 11:40, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:36:07AM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> >> >> On 25 June 2013 11:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:36:14AM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> >> >> >> ping? >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On 22 June 2013 18:46, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> >> >> >> > $ pwd >>> >> >> >> > /usr/ports/textproc/xml2rfc >>> >> >> >> > $ make build-depends-list >>> >> >> >> > /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg >>> >> >> >> > $ make run-depends-list >>> >> >> >> > /usr/ports/lang/tcl86 >>> >> >> >> > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk86 >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > But... >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > $ pkg query '%n: %do' xml2rfc >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: textproc/expat2 >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11-fonts/fontconfig >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: print/freetype2 >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/kbproto >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/libX11 >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/libXau >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/libXdmcp >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11-fonts/libXft >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/libXrender >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: devel/libpthread-stubs >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/libxcb >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: devel/pkgconf >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/renderproto >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: lang/tcl-modules >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: lang/tcl85 >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11-toolkits/tk85 >>> >> >> >> > xml2rfc: x11/xproto >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > a) Why so many more dependencies, and... >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > b) Why different versions of tcl/tk? >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > And ... how do I fix it? >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > BTW, I use portmaster to maintain my installed ports... >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > That is how the ports tree works for eons, and that can't be fixed until we can >>> >> >> > totally get rid if pkg_install (to many corner egdes) pkg_install to work >>> >> >> > properly needs to track fully direct and indirect dependencies, pkg does not, >>> >> >> > but because the ports tree still need to be compatible with pkg_install and >>> >> >> > lots of people are still using all habits from the pkg_install time, it is very >>> >> >> > hard to remove this right now.) >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > But yes for sure this "feature" will get removed :)) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So are you saying that pkg includes indirect dependencies, while ports do not? >>> >> >> >>> >> > Yes >>> >> >> But that doesn't explain why pkg says tcl85 and ports says tcl86.... >>> >> > >>> >> > That is probably a bug of run-depends not discovering you have tcl85 installed >>> >> > so getting to the default tcl for its dependency which is tcl86. >>> >> >>> >> I actually have both installed, so I think the bug is in pkg. I'd like >>> >> to remove ports I don't need but pkg won't let me remove tcl85, which >>> >> I think I don't really need... >>> > >>> > I think is it a bug in portmaster and/or not having fully follow 20130206 of UPDATING. >>> > >>> > pkg only registers dependencies it is being told to register by the ports >>> > tree/portmaster. >>> >> >>> >> How can I force pkg to rebuild its dependencies? Is it even possible? >>> > >>> > portmaster -af should do it probably (I'm not a portmaster user) >>> >>> I just did a portmaster -a, that's how I got into this situation... >>> >>> What port management tool _does_ work with pkg? >> >> both portmaster and portupgrade, I'm sure what you hit is the UPDATING that has >> not been followed, there is a decicated part for tcl. >>> >>> >> Is there any way for pkg to check the integrity of its database? >>> >> >>> > >>> > pkg check -d will do, but imho will find nothing. >>> >>> # pkg check -d >>> x11-toolkits/py-wxPython28-common has a missing dependency: lang/tcl-modules >>> x11-toolkits/py-wxPython28-unicode has a missing dependency: lang/tcl-modules >>> textproc/xml2rfc has a missing dependency: lang/tcl-modules >> >> That proves you haven't followed the 20130206 entry. > > Oh, sorry, I missed that reference the first time round. > > Hmm, just discovered "pkg updating". It'd be nice if there were a way > to skip all the things that say "rebuild everything that depends on > it", which seems kinda obvious... Hmmm. pkg updating doesn't actually show the relevant 20130206 entry - so not actually useful.